Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Q-and-A with Daisy - part IV

Fresh Market Halloween pumpkins! Purty!

I get fascinating emails, particularly on the Sabbath. This one arrived in my inbox last Sunday evening.


Dear Daisy,

Your blog is interesting. I found it through your link about "Is Barack Obama the anti-christ?" You seem to think this is a funny question and it IS NOT at all. Please take this seriously.

You seem to have the timeline confused. I see from your blog that you are Catholic and most Catholics have no knowledge of the anti-christ or Rapture. Let me explain using Biblical principles.

Satan works in the world and he shapes people and society to achieve his goals. Knowingly or not, anti-christ will force people to follow and obey an agenda that appears to be in the best interest of its people but, in following the pattern of human history and man's rebellion to God, will bring about pain and suffering until Christ comes again.

(Insert pertinent quotes from Revelation 13 here, Mark of the Beast, et. al.)

A time is coming when society and lives will be ruled by a self-imposed system where mankind is monitored, analyzed, measured and evaluated by computers. In those times, anyone who refuses to accept this system will be tortured then killed.

We are moving towards a ubiquitous society where people from all walks of life can access anything, anywhere, and at anytime regardless of time and location. The implementation of RFID technology in retail stores is one example. It's estimated that the majority of retail merchandise will use RFID within 1-5 years, and will replace standard bar codes which have been used for the past 30 years.

What drives such development is the belief that we will live safer, easier, richer and more enjoyable lives by using technology to manage everyday aspects of daily life. In a society that craves automated financial management, instant communication and security, it's not a far stretch for RFID enabled biochips to be implanted into the body, and eventually, replacing currency that is easily stolen, lost or hidden.

In the near future:

1) All people will be required to have a biochip. All economic operations will use this chip, thereby replacing today's unit of monetary exchange.

2) There will be privacy invasion and freedom will cease to exist.

3) A charismatic leader, who is the Anti-Christ, will rule the whole world through a system that is interconnected and interdependent.


Accepting this mark is the irreversible act of selling your soul to Satan. This sin is unforgivable and cannot be reversed by physically removing the mark. (see Revelation verses, above). Your soul belongs to God. Therefore if you receive this mark, you then belong to Satan.

If you receive this mark, you are willfully placing your faith in man and not in God. You are actively choosing to live without a loving God who desires to spend eternity with you in Heaven. God does not want you choosing Hell's path.

God knew these things beforehand
[2] and because He loves us and wants us to acknowledge this, it was revealed to us through the writing of the apostle John in Revelation around 100 AD.

If you are not taken up to heaven and are thereby left behind for the tribulation, you must not receive the mark of the beast even though you will be tortured then killed for not accepting the government's sanctioned acts of Satan. You must remember this at all times because the hope of heaven still remains.

The Rapture
[3] is reserved for those saints who will be lifted into the sky upon God's trumpet call, saints that are to be Raptured will be lifted into the sky to meet Jesus in the clouds. (1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17) The rapture is reserved for those believers who wear spiritual white robes. Their physical body will be transformed.

Jesus will be coming in the clouds for the salvation of Mankind.

If you remain in lukewarm faith, Jesus will spew you out, so you must not be this type of believer, Daisy! (Revelation 3:16) Jesus' first coming was to bring salvation, but his Second Coming is not to bear sins, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Those with lukewarm faith, those who are tied with the world, and those who do not know Jesus Christ, will be left behind for the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation will be the most devastating time in all of human history. All saints must realize this truth and pray for Jesus Christ's return. Be awake in the spirit and know that Jesus Christ's return is very near.


(real name given, phone number, the works!)


[1] Does anyone remember the German horror movie, MARK OF THE DEVIL(1970), that promised free vomit bags to the audience?

[2] I dunno about this. Theologically, it's kind of tricky.

[3] Although my correspondent dutifully links this site, I don't have the heart to tell him that I was already banned from the message board years ago (after only ONE post that didn't contain a single cuss word).

[4] Which congregation started this fad? Who exactly decided to dig up this old Aramaic word and use it all the time? Was this Lonnie Frisbee or somebody like that?

Speaking of which, thanks to John Powers for the heads-up on the documentary of Frisbee's life, which I watched over the weekend, courtesy of Netflix. I enjoyed it, but the music was horrendous and made me want to rend my garments, if I may sound suitably Biblical for a moment. If I had to listen to music like that all the time, I'd be praying for the Rapture to hurry up and get here, too.

My criticisms: not enough explanations regarding precisely what Pentecostalism IS and the various factions therein. Thus, when these various factions started accusing each other of not being genuinely Pentecostal, it wasn't very clear what they meant, theologically. (They all seemed equally Pentecostal to ME, for example.) I certainly enjoyed the chronicle of the Jesus Movement, although I would have greatly preferred more exactitude: dates, times, places and names all seemed to blur together. It was unclear to me if Frisbee was integral to the actual founding of Calvary Chapel and The Vineyard, or if he was just part of the ongoing charismatic scene. The filmmakers never once clarified the geographic locations of any of these places, which was pretty shoddy. And the hugely controversial nature of "being slain in the spirit" was skimmed over, given very short shrift.

I found the central spiritual concept of the last half of the movie--where Lonnie says, "They want my gifts, but they don't want ME!"--to be most interesting. This is similar to what so many artists say, which begs the question of whether charismatic spirituality is a unique talent or possibly a specific art form.

And again, the music made me want to shriek. It might have been the worst music I've ever heard.


Bryce said...

you sure know how to find em, D.

LarryE said...

Damn. Why don't I ever get cool freakazoid mail like that?

John Powers said...

I'm not at all surprised you get emails. I like that you follow the links too.

Miracles are rather scary to me because once you accept one it seems to open one up to all belief. So I'm cautious, but on the other hand being in the midst of religious ecstasy is quite remarkable.

Two sort of off topic links: The first High School Teacher Fired for Teaching Harper's Article About Magical Penis Theft; well the title sort of says it all. In any case most things are rather culture bound. The second Sacred Intentions: Inside the Johns Hopkins Psilocybin Studies is interesting in so many ways.

In the studies the psychedelic sessions seemed to conform to a distinct pattern in 4 parts. First sensory stuff, then psychodynamic stuff, an archetypal realm, and finally a mystical state. One interesting thing is subjects often encountered archetype outside their traditions. But the most interesting thing to me was that those who got to the mystical state--most--found it quite transformative not just in the moment but a change they work on for years after.

Sorry to babble on so long. But I mention it because from what I read by you your spiritual life is enmeshed in this "work."

From watching the clips on YouTube the bit you quote: "They want my gifts, but they don't want ME!" is just what stood out to me.

My opinion of it is the "goodies" got in the way of the work. The community around Frisbee never cared to inquire or take interest in the work Frisbee heard himself called to do. I find that really sad. And more generally am saddened that as a heathen it's so hard to talk with my Christian sisters and brothers about the good we try to create.

That you get to the essentials no matter who you're in dialog with inspires me to no end.

John Powers said...

Darn that first link I posted doesn't seem to work. again

Rosa said...

If all that is true, does anyone have a tin-foil hat I can borrow?

Daisy said...

John, the problem is, when you start talking about psychedelics, people roundly dismiss whatever you say as a hallucination. If you claim to have seen God during the hallucination, believers usually wait to see what God did/said, and judge the vision accordingly--people like Manson, et al. also insisted they saw God under the influence of psychedelics.

My own feeling is that it's like that last acceleration at the end of A DAY IN THE LIFE and it's just TOO FAST. Reclusive monks spend their whole life preparing for a few such moments, and here you are, arriving unprepared, hurtled to the same point in a space rocket, I'd love to tuuuuuurn yoooooo onnnnnn.

No preparation, and I agree with Ram Dass/Richard Alpert that you need to be WELL PREPARED for it. Like running the triathlon with no training, people can get hurt.

Speaking of music, this is pretty damn embarrassing, but here it is, all ten minutes. It just swallowed me whole. Lots of acid, and TONY BANKS and MIKE RUTHERFORD!!!! ((((dies from embarrassment))) You will also note that ten minutes in LSD-time turns into hours.

Yes, I saw Him clear as day. In fact, I knew the song was being played for my benefit, since no one else in the room seemed to be paying any attention to it in the way I was. Do they know what the song is about? The answer came, no, they don't, because this song is for you. (And Thank God it wasn't a Phil Collins song, because I don't think I could live that down. But I tell people, see, that proves it, I would never cop to this if it wasn't true; I would have chosen some very hip, cool song instead.)

The words seemed to collapse around me, particularly the haunting bridge (I called myself a Marxist atheist at the time):

Then one whose faith had died
Fled back up the mountainside

He means me, I thought, he is talking about me.

And the song held me tight, tight, to the very end. The musical refrain repeated in the song at the end:

Then, on a distant slope,
He observed one without hope
Flee back up the mountainside.
He thought he recognised him by his walk,
And by the way he fell,
And by the way he
Stood up, and vanished into air

He was with me, and then vanished also, at that moment. I'll never write about this with any specificity, so I include it here. I am too embarrassed by the fact that I felt God manifest during a song by Genesis, under the influence of LSD. But you know, is that any sillier or more unlikely than on an assembly line, during wartime or a walk in the park or anywhere else?

I suppose it is also pertinent that I have always been fascinated by the whole Mountain motif in religion; Benedictine monks on mountains; the Hermit card in the tarot; Moses, Krishna, Jesus, everybody, goes up to the mountain to speechify; Well I stand up next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of my hand...... and then THIS. Analyzing this rationally, it is entirely probable that I wouldn't have 'heard it' unless the words "faith" and "mountainside" were joined as they were.

But they were! :)

I mention this because of what you say, the mountain archetype thing first, then I was blasted on to the OTHER PLACE, as surely if the archetypes were a slingshot or ignition. (I sometimes feel this doing the tarot, as if I am suddenly praying over someone.)

I never forgot the moment, and in moments of doubt, return to it. The statue of Jesus in Cochabamba, Bolivia, is remarkably similar to what I saw.

After this, I stopped saying I was atheist or agnostic. I said I wasn't sure, but I had felt the presence of something, and needed to investigate further. People seemed to respect that. But I was hedging, I knew who it was. It was the person in the song, The Vine.

I hadn't even noticed the song before, the title, nothing. I don't remember who played it. I can't listen to it in its entirety without feeling emotionally overwhelmed, which I imagine is what is called a flashback. But I don't mean this in a bad way--I have listened to it at various times in my life when I have needed it.

Most religious traditions would do well to nurture some sort of mystical journey like this for those who seek it. If you read about the saints, several augmented their consciousness through abject starvation, wandering through deserts (John the Baptist was tripping out there), strange plants and herbs. Western religion has sanitized the whole process now, and what I see in Pentecostalism (and the charismatic movement in general) is a desire to rekindle this.

I do have tremendous respect for that, but I wish they wouldn't drown it in dogma. The tension between the two is FASCINATING, as it was for the Desert Fathers. Lonnie had the gift, but his lifestyle challenged the dogma.

It has been ever thus!

Daisy said...

Also, in the Philip K Dick novel DO ANDROIDS DREAM OF ELECTRIC SHEEP there is a segment at the end that was omitted in the movie made of the book (BLADE RUNNER)--probably because it was just too weird. But in the novel, there is a religion called Mercerism. At the end, the "experts" have debunked Wilbur Mercer as a fraud, they say he never lived. All fake!

And then, Rick Deckard goes out to the desert (as good as mountains, as far as religious archetypes go!) ...and...he meets Mercer.

This is presented in the novel as real.

But... but... you say, he just said he was a FRAUD? And then he meets him?

I figure, people either get that, or they don't. Ridley Scott obviously didn't, or thought it would be too distracting. But I return to this over and over when The Jesus Seminar and others issue their similar proclamations: Mercer is a fraud!

But, like Rick Deckard (and Philip K Dick), I met him anyway! :)

John Powers said...

Part of the Johns Hopkins protocol was to screen out any subjects who'd had psychedelic experience in their past. I guess that makes sense from a scientific standpoint, but I really would like to see some serious attention to what was the grand experiment called the sixties and seventies.

Someone I've known for a long time is a partner in a high power law firm and a Republican. He's also a great story teller which covers a multitude of sins in my book. I marvel when I see him today because my vivid mental image of him come from our younger days tripping.

Very few people I know now who did LSD back in the day would do it again. And most of the people I know are well aware of the ruin drugs can wreck. Like everyone else the kids are precious to me, so the whole business of caution about drugs and the children is something I very much buy into. Still, I wish we'd talk about our experiences more and in a way, especially now the kids are older, that they could hear our stories.

In my generation many fathers served in WWII and the common thread is most of us never heard stories until near the end of their lives. Maybe it will be like that for us too. From what I gather the stories being told the savvy kids know lots of the stories are exaggerated.

The part of the Hopkins study that impressed me is that years after their session they were still doing the work inspired by their mystical experience. So it's not surprising the stories of the day take a while to gestate. The stories really aren't about the experiences per se but the changes those experiences wrought in our lives.

Marianne Williamson is famously quoted: "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us."

A a Catholic you know that a sacrament is an outward and visible sign of an inward spiritual grace. One of the reasons I wish we told more stories about the days is not so much hearing about the inward reflections but the sacred made visible to us. There's much more that's quite concrete than we let on.

For example the the picture of my Republican lawyer friend tripping is so vivid in my mind because I saw him fully in his body. I remember the wonderful bright light of the late spring day and how much he and his body were a part together.

When I see this man's beautiful lanky son I want to slap him on the back and tell him to sit up straight. No, really what I want is for his son to be fully in his body like his father was one moment long ago.

See, the stories don't get told because, at least for me it's hard to put words to them. But as much as I can't stand my Republican friend's politics, I know that some of his life's work comes from that day long ago. He has spent years practicing to be fully in his body.

The son acts upon this in his own way. His parents were horrified to discover a backyard wrestling tape from their own back yard uploaded to YouTube with over a million views.

Oh well, not such a great story. But I sure am happy you've invited old hippies to share their stories. I'm dying to hear more.

JoJo said...

What IS the mark of the beast and can I get a tat of it??

Oh wait, I think I see the virgin mary on my toast...brb....

Anonymous said...

I was tripping and saw my face reflected in water. I always thought I wasn't "good looking" since I'm not. But instead I saw it was a nice face. More important-a friendly person's face. I would approach that face to ask for directions in a strange town. I would trust that face. Seeing my "nice self" changed me totally.

A little story but it made a big difference to me.