Saturday, March 24, 2012

Rally photos: "I am Trayvon Martin"

Today in Greenville, Occupiers attended the Justice for Trayvon Martin rally in Cleveland Park. Photos below. (you can click to enlarge)



The choice of the Cleveland Park venue was especially pertinent. Black teenagers have been harassed out of the park repeatedly by local law enforcement. None of the speakers mentioned these past events; the curfews invoked, the constant police surveillance of the park, etc. But for those of us who have lived here long enough, the park's racist history hovered over the entire afternoon, as various speakers talked about their fear for their own sons.

One speaker mentioned that her son, training for the track team at school, began running at all hours of the day and night. At one point, police brought him home, because "he was running." The speaker wondered out loud if it was safe for black men to run at night?

Traci Fant, organizer of the event, was especially moving in her speech, as was Rev. David Kennedy, whom I am proud to say I have demonstrated with before on two occasions. There were about 15-20 preachers in attendance, lending ample moral authority to the protest. Several elected officials, including local legend and political powerhouse Lottie Gibson, were also present and addressed the rally.

Chants of "No Justice! No Peace!" (or, you could say, "Know Justice, Know Peace") and "I am Trayvon Martin" rang through the park, amid all the beautiful flowering trees. I was disappointed that more white people did not attend the rally, but there were some of us. (Why not hundreds?)

When conservatives like Newt Gingrich announce that Barack Obama is "disgraceful" for caring about Trayvon and his family, you have to wonder just who he is pandering to. This must be what they want to hear.

It explains a lot.

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27 comments:

West said...
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West said...

Daisy enjoyed the show today- I didn't call because I was too busy listening. You just gotta have more than one hour. Sorry, I don't mean to serial post- I just forgot to mention it in my other post.

DaisyDeadhead said...

You are already on probation, West. And you just have to keep pushing your luck, don't you?

This thread is about racism and Trayvon Martin, it is not the time for Southern Man to be an obnoxious ass and start soapboxing about abortion. Inappropriate and off-topic... are you TRYING to force me to ban you for good? Like a naughty boy, you just keep pushing, pushing, pushing at the boundaries. I am getting tired of it; please grow up.

If you don't want an abortion, as I have told you before, then don't have one. It's that simple.

Do not post about the subject here again, unless it is the subject of the post.

I thought I explained the living room analogy to you, what, 5 times now? Do you actually go into people's living rooms and interrupt what they are discussing to start lecturing them about ABORTION?

Well, maybe you ARE that rude.

I think you're well past 3 warnings, aren't you? Please stop the constant TROLLING. I'm fed up with it, and it is not amusing.

Rosalind Gash said...

I was at yesterday's rally as well, documenting it in photos and video which I am am preparing to post on my own blog. I got one of your flyers, and will be tuning in to the show (I didn't know about it before yesterday).

I also asked myself why more white people didn't attend the rally. Certainly there were some, but not enough. What was particularly galling for me was that so many whites were already at the park doing their usual Saturday routines, but couldn't bring themselves to support the rally.

Things are NOT getting better, because it's going to take EVERYONE to care, and as always blacks will be doing it alone, save for the few whites who have the courage and moral fortitude to work alongside us.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Rosalind, A PLEASURE to meet you, maam, I *DO* remember BlackBloggersOnline.com! That was you? Very cool.

Here is a piece you might enjoy, which was largely based on my experiences here in Greenville.

Agree with everything you said.

MaggieMacGregor said...

The rally in Greenville was moving, dignified, sad, inspiring ... my husband and I did ask each other later in the evening why there were so few white people at Cleveland Park.

Sevesteen said...

Every media story I've had personal information of has been substantially wrong, including one from an in-law who used a gun when he was robbed. (The in-law screwed up, but nobody was injured, the robber was caught and the money was recovered despite the screwup)

We don't know what happened in this case, but it is almost certain that the media is sensationalizing this story. I've seen claims that the pictures most media are using are from 4 years ago-that appears to be true--I've seen Trayvon pictures with a mustache, but more often Trayvon that appear to be about 13.

Both the "gated community" and Zimmerman are assumed (or in some reports specified) as white--Zimmerman appears Hispanic, and other reports of the community's demographics is that it is almost exactly half white.

The law needs to be followed, a thorough investigation needs to be done, and further action needs to be based on facts. Lynching is wrong regardless of race.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Sevesteen, thing is, there have been lots of criticism of "neighborhood watch" groups, that these guys are wannabe-cops who couldn't qualify as "real cops" for whatever reason. It is a fact that Zimmerman called 911 umpteen times in the past few months over similar perceived "interlopers" and appears to have been itching to shoot somebody. THAT is quite pertinent, to me. Also, remember that Trayvon legally was NOT REQUIRED to answer to any non-cop. If I get out of a non-cop car and yell "STOP!"--you do not have to stop. There is no law that says you do. He did not have to stop for Zimmerman.

Also, Trayvon dipped between two houses and called his girlfriend (there is a record of the call, did you listen to it?), where he was obviously out of breath and running, saying someone was following him. This to me is the most damning evidence. Zimmerman, non-cop, was GIVING CHASE after the 911 operator explicitly told him "We don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman replied "okay".

"Okay" means "okay"--not going off to give chase.

Lynching????? They won't even arrest Zimmerman for trespassing.

Alison said...

Zimmerman should be arrested for manslaughter, like Trevor Dooley was.

Sevesteen said...

I am neither defending nor attacking Zimmerman. He may be a vigilante cop wannabe who is guilty of manslaughter, he may be the victim of an assault who legitimately defended himself--neither conclusion would surprise me. It may also be that Martin misinterpreted Zimmerman's actions.

A few years back, a local TV station's web page had a picture of a puppy and the headline:

Dog Killed: Family Pup Shot Execution-Style While Walking With Owner In Metroparks.

Reality was that the Rottweiler was fully grown, illegally running loose and attacked a leashed Lab puppy. The lab's owner was licensed to carry a gun and immediately reported the shooting to police--all facts that the other news outlet had no problem figuring out. Sensational news reporting sells more than facts.

I want Zimmerman to be investigated by the police and prosecutors. I want the facts they discover to determine whether he goes to trial, and if he is guilty, I want him convicted.

I don't want him tried and found guilty by the media, I don't want him lynched by people influenced by seeing Martin's misleading junior high pictures.

bryce said...

gr8 pics, d.

Conseglieri said...

Sevesteen, here's how I see it. Zimmerman was inside his vehicle. He, an untrained vigilante with a history of contact with the police, got out of his vehicle and followed (stalked) Martin. If Zimmerman stays in his vehicle, nothing happens.

There was contact between Martin, a recently-turned-17 year old student with no criminal record, and Zimmerman, a 28 year old at least three inches taller and more than thirty pounds heavier and ARMED. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin. None of this is in any dispute whatsoever. Those facts, not speculation, but universally accepted facts, are enough to arrest and indict Zimmerman of some crime. I'll also encourage readers here to follow Sevesteen linked name and check out his blog. He does as I suggested to another person and has written his opinions about what Daisy posted here over at his blog and provided links to Daisy's blog so his folks can read for themselves.


Rosalind Gash, I also went to your webpage. I'd love to know more about what you would like to do in Greenville. I think that the Black community can make decisions without my white input, but I do think that Europeans may be less racist, so maybe outreach to folks at Michelin and BMW etc would be helpful? I honestly can't justify why there were not at least as many white as Black people there. There were a LOT of Black folks at Justin Whitmire's funeral. I wish there had been many more white folks at this rally for justice for Trayvon Martin.

Sevesteen said...

Conseglieri:

Descriptions I've seen say Martin was 6'1" and 150lbs, Zimmerman 5'8 and over 200--you are apparently confused by the years-old 'puppy pictures' of Martin the media keeps using. There isn't enough disparity in physical ability in either direction to make armed self defense illegal--what matters is who started the violence.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Sevesteen, what counts is who had the gun and who shot it.

Sevesteen said...

5o if my wife yells at a thug vandalizing my neighbor's home and the thug attacks my wife she can't shoot the thug to make him stop beating her?

Circumstances matter. The defender gets much leeway in how he resists an attack. It is vitally important to determine who was defending and who was the aggressor.

Conseglieri said...

Zimmerman's video taken at the Police Department that night does not show a broken nose, blood on Zimmerman's face, or grass stains.

Sevesteen, I am seldom confused, almost never by the Mass Media. I know first hand how badly the media can mess up a tale. That doesn't change facts. Zimmerman SAID he shot and killed a 17 year old unarmed young man. Zimmerman was ARMED. If you don't get that you're not as bright as you seem to be.

Sevesteen said...

There are circumstances where it is both legally and morally justified to use deadly force on an unarmed 17 year old. It would require that the 17 year old begin the violence without justification, and that there was a credible threat of severe injury. The 17 year old not being visibly armed isn't conclusive--you almost certainly encounter several armed people every day without knowing who we are.

If Zimmerman's story of being attacked is true and complete, he is innocent. If Zimmerman started the violence or if Martin's violence was the result of being detained, then Zimmerman is guilty of at least manslaughter. I haven't once said that I think Zimmerman is innocent--I've said that we don't yet have enough evidence to judge accurately.

Jim said...

"Sevesteen, thing is, there have been lots of criticism of "neighborhood watch" groups, that these guys are wannabe-cops who couldn't qualify as "real cops" for whatever reason. "

I live in a "transitional neighborhood" (and am liking that term less and less) and we have a neighborhood watch type of group headed by a large comfortable barefoot lesbian. The group busies itself with crime awareness - spreading the word on trends - and getting inexpensive lighting into the alleys and interacting wiht the police Community Liaison Officer. I don't think anyone in the nighborhood owns a firearm except of course the state patolman who lives four doors down.

That's how you do neighborhood
watch and no one gets shot.

Recently we have had a run of burglaries that involved gagrage doors getting bashed in, and sometimes just doors bashed in with no burglaries. Kids probably.

A neighbor of mine was ready to camp out in the alley with a camera and a gun. I told him he had responsibilities - a toddler and an infant - to think about. Was this litle asshole worth going to jail over and denying his kids a childhood? The camera was fine, the gun would be a risk. He did drop the idea.

And the police have made two arrests and the burglaries have stopped.

Jim said...

On Zimmerman, I find the timimng of all his side of the story quite telling. Can't the police there even put a simple lie together competently? I would have thought Zimmerman himself would have been down at the precinct eager to give details and get that word out IMMEDIATELY. And the police should have known how politically important in an incident like this it was to get all the facts before the public immediately.

Why didn't they just plant a gun and a bag of crack on the kid?

DaisyDeadhead said...

Sevesteen, bottom line, why did Zimmerman get out of his car and start after Trayvon? Even after BEING TOLD NOT TO by the 911 operator?

And why do you doggedly and deliberately overlook these two salient points?

If he had stayed in his car where he BELONGED, none of this would have happened. If he had taken the advice (as he SAID HE WAS GOING TO) of the 911 operator, not to follow Trayvon, none of this would have happened. Why do you excuse these two huge mistakes and then bend over backwards to give this person who made two huge mistakes, the benefit of the doubt?

I notice you don't give any such benefit of the doubt to Trayvon for simply walking through the neighborhood, minding his own business.

Zimmerman looked clean as a whistle on the police video. For someone now claiming to have been in a life-and-death struggle, his clothes looked remarkably clean, his hair not even mussed.

Jim, hell yeah.

Sevesteen said...

I carry. I won't use my gun to protect my own property, let alone someone else's. I have a duty to avoid situations where shooting may be necessary, even if it would be legal.

It appears Zimmerman failed in his duty to avoid the necessity, even if it turns out the shooting was legally justified. However...despite several screwups in the leadup to the shooting, legally it still boils down to who started the violence. I agree that the recent video hurts Zimmerman's credibility.

I object to the double standard--Zimmerman should have 'let the authorities handle it'--but apparently the same authorities can't be trusted to handle him...

I object to crap like Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman's address....oops, wrong Zimmerman, so an innocent couple was harassed out of their home. Even if it was the right Zimmerman, it is the wrong thing to do.

I object to 'what counts is who had the gun and who shot it'. Having a gun doesn't make you guilty--It still depends on who started the violence.

Conseglieri said...

I was about to post a long reply to sevesteen, and when I got to the end of his last reply I realized that he had conceded all the points I was going to make, so I deleted them and will respond to these, where we seem to still have a disagreement.

First of all, we ARE a people's media. The Daisy Deadhead Show stars Daisy herself, so we fully "get it" when it comes to the media getting it wrong. In this area the media doesn't cover people like us or our ideas much at all, so we become the media. Don't fall into the trap of believing that we here are really much like whatever stereotypes you may have in mind, if any.

You Wrote: I object to the double standard--Zimmerman should have 'let the authorities handle it'--but apparently the same authorities can't be trusted to handle him...

My Reply: Two different parts of the police system. 911 dispatch is the ones who told Zimmerman "We don't need you to do that." to which Zimmerman responded clearly "OK", and the responding officers are the ones who were pictured in the video. Those people, the officers who were at the scene of the killing, and the officials who suppressed the audio AND video tape for weeks who are suspect. I imagine you also think this is suspect behavior.


You Wrote:I object to crap like Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman's address....oops, wrong Zimmerman, so an innocent couple was harassed out of their home. Even if it was the right Zimmerman, it is the wrong thing to do.

My Reply: I agree 100%

You Wrote: I object to 'what counts is who had the gun and who shot it'. Having a gun doesn't make you guilty--It still depends on who started the violence.

My Reply: Without a gun and bullet there is no killing. Having a gun doesn't make you guilty, no one here has said that it does. What we have said is that Zimmerman's actions are clear, he killed Martin. There have been NO arrests. Personally, I don't believe Zimmerman is the guy I want to go to the wall to defend.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Sevesteen, and for the third time now, you have ignored my direct questions... why not just admit there is no acceptable reply that doesn't make your guy Zimmerman look guilty as sin?

(YOUR GUY = since you are going out of your way to defend him)

Here are the questions again, that you keep refusing to answer:

Sevesteen, bottom line, why did Zimmerman get out of his car and start after Trayvon? Even after BEING TOLD NOT TO by the 911 operator?

And why do you doggedly and deliberately overlook these two salient points?


Why not admit that 1) you can't answer and 2) you already believe whatever Zimmerman says, so the replies don't matter to you.

If they do matter, answer please.

If you believe Zimmerman regardless of the facts, you are hereby excused from this discussion.

Jim said...

"You Wrote:I object to crap like Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman's address....oops, wrong Zimmerman, so an innocent couple was harassed out of their home. Even if it was the right Zimmerman, it is the wrong thing to do.

My Reply: I agree 100%'

As apparently does Spike Lee. He apologized directly and I think I saw somewhere he paid for secusirty for them.

"I carry. I won't use my gun to protect my own property, let alone someone else's. I have a duty to avoid situations where shooting may be necessary, even if it would be legal."

Sevesteen, there was a comment in out local paper from a guy who said after going to register for concealed carry and seeing who all else was there, he damn sure carries now.

The root of owning a gun makes sense to me - refusal to trust government. And what is government but our fellow citizens organized inot a mob? I don't feel real comfortable around all my fellow citizens.

Sevesteen said...

I do not have a strong opinion as to Zimmerman's guilt or innocence. Based on my limited knowledge, I don't think he should have gotten out of his car--but it has almost no bearing on whether the shooting was justified. What matters is who started using force. If it was Zimmerman, he's guilty. If it was Martin, it depends on why--If Martin was trying to escape for example, then the blame is still with Zimmerman.

The facts we have, especially as filtered through corporate media aren't conclusive--that is my only claim.

As for Spike Lee, he's sorry he hit the wrong target. If he had gotten the right Zimmerman I doubt he would be apologizing regardless of what his followers did with the information.

"after going to register for concealed carry and seeing who all else was there, he damn sure carries now. "

This sounds like another "I'm a gun owner but..." made-up stories. It takes 2 trips to get a license, I've applied or renewed 3 times plus been with my wife once when she renewed...never met another person there for a license.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Sevesteen, in the south, any fool can buy a gun at a gun show, no questions asked, accept "Cash or check?"

Your posts here have earned a place on my radio show this morning, hope you are listening! :)

Sevesteen said...

Sevesteen, in the south, any fool can buy a gun at a gun show, no questions asked, accept "Cash or check?"

Not sure what your point is--few states require a license to posses, and in most states the rules at a gun show are the same as the rules anywhere else--dealers need to do background checks, while private sellers are allowed to sell but can't do background checks. I was talking about license to carry.