Friday, March 4, 2011

Your Friday Blogdonia Soap Opera

You know you've needed one.

I really, really, did not want to address this nonsense here. Really. But when people write entire posts about me, calling me out for my transgressions, well, whatcha gonna do.

What is really funny is that I responded. Like, 12 times, and I was moderated. And they keep asking questions. I answer...incredibly long-ass, intricate replies, and the answer is moderated.

No other choice, but to come here and settle it. (sigh) Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days in Feminist Blogdonia.

~*~

The brawl, we see, starts here and here. (Trigger warning, transphobia)

Background: The so-called radical feminist blog AROOO, aka "A Room of Our Own" (I say "so-called" because they always seemed rather ignorant of Second Wave feminist history, all while claiming it as their own), has a history of extremely nasty transphobia. I was banned from the blog after I objected to (trigger warning, viciousness and bullying) a post in which they (seriously) posted a photo of what they claimed was the genitalia (!) of a trans woman, and made fun of how weird it looks. To me, this was over the top, even more over the top than usual. As regular readers know, I react strongly to making fun of people's appearance, for whatever reason.

I also found it pornographic and deranged, but that's probably quibbling.

Margaret Jamison, the (apparently former) blogger in charge of AROOO, seemed to become more and more obsessed with trans women over time. There was less and less posting about feminism and racism (subjects she was keenly insightful about) and more and more hate speech directed at "tyrannies" (her word for "tranny") that she claimed sent her all manner of threats. This posting-genitalia nervous-breakdown was virtually inevitable. I had believed the general hate speech and turning trans women's attempted-replies into monkey-photos was bad enough, but the genitalia-photo, to me, was the real turning point. I objected, was banned in due course, and went away.

The End. (Or possibly one of those American International horror movies from the 60s: The End?)

Nah, you gotta be kiddin.

Joan Kelly, whom I love, recently met Margaret Jamison in the flesh and became unaccountably besotted with her wonderfulness. Perhaps Margaret is utterly fabulous in person, despite her increasing obsession with trans women, accompanying hate speech and photos of monkeys and genitals, I don't know. I suppose it's possible.

And rather suddenly, Joan has started running all kinds of anti-trans nastiness on her blog (see links above), when she did not used to hold this position. I assume it's to impress Margaret or in solidarity with Margaret, something like that. Unfortunately, these posts are becoming as embarrassingly obsessive and frequent as Margaret's posting at AROOO, which by the way, has ended. Now her co-blogger, Kitty Glendower, has taken over, posting about movies. (?) Huh? What the hell happened?

What happened is that some of Margaret's wack-ass transphobe "friends" (gotta watch those hater-friends, they tend not to be such stable personalities) turned against her (nah, say it isn't so) and posted her private business on the net. I haven't seen any of this private business, but I am assured it exists. (Paranoia will destroya) In fact, I have not seen much discussion AT ALL about Margaret, frankly, except for what I linked above by Suzan Cooke, which is from almost a YEAR AND A HALF AGO (and that tells you how long Margaret has been fulminating non-stop over the evilll trans people, Jesus H Christ).

In one of my offhand snipes in one of the many unpublished posts to the many rants Joan has published over the last few days (including threats to hunt down and shoot whoever outed her dear Margaret... I TOLD you it was bad, people), I mentioned something I've known about Margaret for a long time: the elite school she attended. As regular DEAD AIR readers know, I never forget stuff like that, and if you are going to get all self-righteous with me about 'oppression' -- you'd better not have a major privilege like that stashed away somewhere, or Daisy will drag it out of your privilege-closet and wave it right in your fucking face. Which I did.

And in so doing, I caused Joan and Margaret and the whole Hee Haw gang to have apoplexy. That is PRIVATE INFO!!!! WHO OUTED MARGIE AS A RICH KID!!!???!!! Heads will roll, baby.

Another blog informs me that this so-called "private" info was posted right on Margaret's Facebook page, so I think this is just another excuse to clutch one's pearls, squeal and holler, that the evilll trannies are at it again. I don't remember where I read it, but it didn't seem private... actually, I think Margaret was bragging about it herself when I first read it. (NOTE: people who went to rich, important schools can usually NEVER keep this to themselves for long.)

Anyway (cut to the chase; I am SO SORRY it takes awhile for soap-opera catch-up!), I stand accused of being a racist for comparing the use of the n-word to the use of anti-trans insults (see first link above). I was read the riot act, probably by someone who lives in an all-white neighborhood and never once helped beat up a klansman. Figures.

And I replied, for what, the 12th time? One part of my comment was allowed, the rest was edited. I told Joan, I would print it here if she censored me again. It is really unconscionable to call people out for racism and then not allow them to reply WITHOUT CENSORSHIP to your accusations. I am a lifelong activist who takes such accusations very seriously, not some dilettante who throws words and posts around recklessly. So, here is my complete, unedited reply, which Joan would not publish:



I should be very clear about one thing.

I do think racism and transphobia are analogous. You betcha. Amen. I believe is transphobia/racism are horrific, mindless, oppressive, repressive, evil hatreds of whole groups of people around the world, throughout history, that the haters have NOT EVEN MET. (That’s the part that I find so bizarre and even psychotic.) I grew up with this mindless, obsessive hatred of entire groups of people… and in my piece about my father, I made the analogy between racism and transphobia; I’ve done it before. This isn’t new.

http://daisysdeadair.blogspot.com/2008/09/brute-heart-of-brute-like-you.html

My point was badly made, n-word and ‘transgendered males’–I should not have compared these words, but the hatred they represent. This is what I meant to say, which I only now realize. (my real excuse: exhaustion, lack of education, no time to read over what I type in a hurry, which is almost everything these days. As I have said over and over, I do not have internet access to blogs, email, etc at work.)

A crucial aspect of hating people you have never met, is letting them know, so they will stay away from you. Haters proudly announce hate, by using insulting terms that will hurt. Example: N-word, misgendering. I think the intent to insult is the same. The. Same. And of course, the overall hatred and obsession is VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL in advanced cases like my father and Margie and m_Andrea. And that is what I meant to say, or should have said.

This is what I find analogous, the intent that would cause anyone to say these words after being nicely asked to stop. Words that have prefaced lynching, rape, murder, and thus, deliberately push buttons. NO, by God, you will not spare their feelings.

Neither would my dad, in fact, like Margie, it just made him worse.

Hate is hate and I will never countenance it. Sorry, Joan. But this is what you are trafficking in.

Now, if you cannot post this, as I suspect you can’t, please do your readers the courtesy of letting them know I have responded and delivered the sought-after mea-culpa.

I really hate the ‘putting words in my mouth’ and (I feel you have) incorrectly paraphrased me in this post and find it a hostile act. You can make this up to me by printing this comment. (I guess that will happen after the second Tuesday after the third Wednesday hell freezes over, yeah?)

But you asked, and you got.


~*~

Comments welcome, but rudeness and anti-trans bigotry will get the trap door, as well as a dose of redneck justice, which makes Margaret's [rich school] games, look like a tea party. Be advised, boyz and girlz.

43 comments:

Misanthropic_Buddhist said...

GRRRRRR some people are just assholes...I will never understand that hatred toward trans*people and Trans*women in paticular....Not only do they sound like bigoted jerks but incredibly paranoid too....

prefer not to say said...

didnt know Margie was gone. good riddince. my last look @ aroo was that creepy sick twat pic u mention. so guess im not da only one who thot MJ was headed to rubber room or rehab.

if any man posted that pic, it would be called porn. but if MJ does it? guess what, still porn.

u win this round, miss daisy do.

JoJo said...

Goodness you do stir up controversy don't you Daisy! lol Good for you! Keep on speaking your mind.

risa said...

Gosh, Daisy, appreciate the solidarity, but, y'know, 1) my gynecologist said, "Damn, I can't tell yours from any body else's" 2) I know, I think, about 400 people and they've all been swell, and 3) in six years I've had one real incident, an endocrinologist's prissy receptionist who said, "he doesn't do you people." But that once was enough. It's out there. Thank you, sister!!!!!!!!!!

I'll get back to garden now.

just another tranniboi said...

Margie very aggressively and very sucessfully starts fights and then stands back like an innocent little babe crying that everyone is after her.

I wouldn't have noticed her at all if she hadn't continuously posted insane diatribes against transpeople. I think this was to drive up blog hits initially. She loved being the center of attention. Then people started taking her seriously and holding her accountable for being a hater. Since she is all into victim psychology, she couldn't take being held accountable for harming other people with her hate speech. And *that* is the reason she has run off with tail betwixt legs, not whatever bullshit excuse Joan-groupie is offering.

You mentioned dilettantes and that is exactly what we are talking about. Margie gives away her elite background when she shows SHOCK, SHOCK over the fact that some people like to fight and will take her up on it. Is she really *surprised*? This is the internet, sweetheart, and it's a freaking zoo. Grow up or go back to prep school, asshole.

Agree w/prefer, point goes to Dead Air.

The Fabulous Kitty Glendower said...

For the record, Ivy League schools extend many scholarships to financially disadvantage students who qualify for admission because of their grades, SAT scores, athletic ability, and over all admission packages. To assume only rich students attend Ivy League school is ignorant. I understand that ignorance because until I was 26 years old I assumed only rich white kids went to college period, --any college. Like most hierarchal institutions, Ivy League schools enjoy feeling benevolent and will always welcome a poor student here and there.
I understand Daisy that you have an inferiority complex. It screams through in your writing. It happens in a society in which one class is pitted against another in plain view. I wish I could afford to pay your bills and send you to college. Then you will no longer feel the deficiency that you carry on your shoulders. But to jump to what school one attended to assuming they are rich (or were rich) is just dishonest.
Not to mention how many students coming out of these institutions owing thousands of dollars simply because they had no one to pay their tuition.
Honestly, Daisy if you are going to flame, could you try harder. You don’t need an Ivy League education to connect the dots properly.

All of you just like to fight. I suspect it is some type of release.

YELLOWDOG GRANNY said...

the stupid...it burns..

DaisyDeadhead said...

Kitty, further outing Margie: For the record, Ivy League schools extend many scholarships to financially disadvantage students who qualify for admission because of their grades, SAT scores, athletic ability, and over all admission packages. To assume only rich students attend Ivy League school is ignorant. I understand that ignorance because until I was 26 years old I assumed only rich white kids went to college period, --any college. Like most hierarchal institutions, Ivy League schools enjoy feeling benevolent and will always welcome a poor student here and there.

OMG.

[NOTE: I suppose I will be blamed for this "outing" too, since she did it here?]

Now see how you further outed Margie? (to the readership: passive aggressive, maybe?) I said nothing at all about whether I meant a school (k-12) or a college; I did not specify whether it was rich old money or Ivy League, Governor School for the Arts or whatever. Note that tranniboi assumed I meant a prep school in his comment and I let it stand.

YOU further (helpfully) delineated the category, so that the angry people could limit their international searches for Margie to... well, how many universities are "Ivy League"? Pretty easy to search within such limited groups, as we learned in THE SOCIAL NETWORK.

In short: good going outing Margie further Kitty! [Now, sports fans, was that deliberate or just a "mistake"?]

This is what makes me think this big wolf-pack I keep reading about is a fiction or exaggeration... you people don't seem too cautious in protecting Margie, even as well as I did.

Kitty has me on the couch: I understand Daisy that you have an inferiority complex.

Oh wow, stop the presses. ("Is this your first visit to AA, young lady?")

If you have finally figured out this Sacred Mystery, why would you deliberately write an entire post addressed to me, enumerating my faults? (Yes, I know YOU didn't, but I gather you are here to defend Joan's right to do so?) Would you expect someone with an inferiority complex to just ignore a 1000-word torrent? Is that sensible?

Think, now.

You're all turning into something of a cult. At least Heart kept everyone more or less in line. *sigh* NOTE: It's not a good thing, when I am nostalgic for the reign of Heart. But I'll bet she is enjoying this shit!

~Touche over there, Heart!~

2b continued

DaisyDeadhead said...

Reply to Kitty continued.

Kitty writes: It screams through in your writing. It happens in a society in which one class is pitted against another in plain view. I wish I could afford to pay your bills and send you to college. Then you will no longer feel the deficiency that you carry on your shoulders. But to jump to what school one attended to assuming they are rich (or were rich) is just dishonest.

No, it's my opinion and in most places it is called, hello, SOCIALIST. And even in the US, I am entitled to it.

Have you really never met any real live lefties before, who find class-sponsored educations proof of indoctination, rather than education?

See, Margie seemed to understand indoctrination when it was woman-hating... I think you do too. But not when your indoctination has been specifically class hating.

Not to mention how many students coming out of these institutions owing thousands of dollars simply because they had no one to pay their tuition.

Oh, I agree, money-grubbing capitalist institutions, pimping themselves on old money and govt subsidies. Part of the power structure, as the military is. Why would a radical feminist be hanging out there, exactly? Especially one as ideologically perfect as Margie? Good question, isn't it?

Honestly, Daisy if you are going to flame, could you try harder. You don’t need an Ivy League education to connect the dots properly.

Well, apparently you DO need to be schooled in LAW AND ORDER reruns to know when you've been tripped up by someone smarter than you. ;)
PS: Keep repeating IVY LEAGUE, Kitty, in case someone missed it!

Kitty: All of you just like to fight. I suspect it is some type of release.

This from the co-blogger of Arooo! (giggles)

All Joan had to do was print my reply. That was all. As I said, I really did not want to take this here and participate... but when someone address an entire post to you and then will not allow a reply, well... am I really expected to just allow that misreading of my motives to stand? Nope, sorry. Not that highly evolved.

Working on it!

The Fabulous Kitty Glendower said...

Daisy, I could give two straws about what Joan is posting. However, I did come here from there.
There are two points that you are so conveniently ignoring though. First, the outing stuff is ridiculous. It is stated on AROOO that Margie went to Stanford (we all know my unrequited lover, Polly who wants my body and resents me for not wanting her, already brought up the post that states where Margie went to school at). I cannot out an out. But, I suspect you mentioned her first name in Joan’s comments and tried to use it to sound powerful knowing Joan would not post it. Anyone who has ever posted at Joan knows she moderates every comment.
Second, going to Stanford does not mean anything other than what white middle class defines it to mean. If a student is from money and went to Stanford that is one thing, but if a student who is not from money goes, that is another. Honestly, haven’t you claimed to care about class issues?
Now on to your frivolous, and again dishonest point, about why would anyone go to those schools in the first place who may or may not now have a particular politics is simple. We are not born with our politics. Time and experiences influence our politics. Who is to say someone who went to Stanford before they are where they are at politically would turn back the clock and go again is anyone’s guess. Sort of like saying who would get married or have children after they actually experienced what it is like to be married and have children. Since you so obviously resent people for being educated (and I fully understand that resentment, and no, I am not now or have ever been an alcoholic, but I am sure all the alcoholics out there appreciate your derision for them) you now seem to have adopted a position that implies that you skipped college because of your politics. As if you made a conscious choice. We both know that is total bullshit. Circumstances in life made you skip college. Let’s not front, Daisy. Educated people do in fact shit on uneducated people. However, you have not been able to accept the fact that you are uneducated (formally, because, I do feel like you have educated yourself on many topics) and because of that you tangle yourself up too often. Either go to school or accept the fact that you never went to school, but please stop trying to act as if you chose not to go to school. Circumstances in life made that decision for you. You sound like a Republican conveying this choice shit.

South Carolina Boy said...

"And of course, the overall hatred and obsession is VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL in advanced cases like my father and Margie and m_Andrea. And that is what I meant to say, or should have said.

This is what I find analogous, the intent that would cause anyone to say these words after being nicely asked to stop. Words that have prefaced lynching, rape, murder, and thus, deliberately push buttons. NO, by God, you will not spare their feelings."

This is what I think sums it up, and why attitudes like this can't be chalked up to, "Well, they just haven't been educated/don't know any better." They do know better, or they would not go out of their way to do it.

I am glad you posted your response here, even if it was deleted from the radfem site, because it is a concise piece of writing. I tried to skim after clicking the first link in the post, but gave up when it appealed to "biological facts." Very dangerous for someone who claims to believe in the liberation of women to turn to "biological facts" for corroboration; there are plenty of those out there to back up the oppression of cis women, too.


@prefer not to say:

"if any man posted that pic, it would be called porn. but if MJ does it? guess what, still porn."

Really good point. Not to mention the lack of *consent* on the part of the woman whose body that was...

DaisyDeadhead said...

Note: Kitty, I can't improve on your own psychosis.

and I fully understand that resentment, and no, I am not now or have ever been an alcoholic, but I am sure all the alcoholics out there appreciate your derision for them

Um, *I* am the alcoholic, of course.

The fact that you seem totally unaware of my blog content, my biography and the subjects I frequently write about, yet feel entitled to come here and preach self-righteously to me is part and parcel the ongoing comedy that is AROOO. Keep up the good work, just not here, okay?

And thank you for narrowing the field even more: Stanford it is. (I trust Joan won't accuse YOU of outing anyone.)

No more verbal-jerking off, do it somewhere else, Kitty. Further comments will be banned, or even better... TRANSFORMED. In fact, I may go back and transform your last post if you continue to post your ridiculous, patronizing, nonsense. This isn't Aroo, and we don't traffic in that shit here.

"Now, be gone, before somebody drops a house on you, too."

The Fabulous Kitty Glendower said...

Daisy, honey, get yourself to a junior college ASAP. Please. It will be a start. If you are not going to accept that you resent your lack of education, then you need to get yourself an education before you explode, ---or start drinking again.

SnowdropExplodes said...

@ Kitty:

If you are not going to accept that you resent your lack of education

This shows a pretty strong failure of reading comprehension. It appears to me from reading what she writes that what Daisy resents is not a "lack of education", but rather the way that a particular clique formed of those who have substantial formal education look down upon those who for whatever reason do not have comparable academic experience (even when they do have substantial life experience - "in the field", as it were), and who therefore use a different type of discourse. I agree with Daisy that there is a tendency to dismiss opinions that are not formulated academically (although I do not believe that absolutely every single instance that Daisy identifies is one where that's actually what's going on, I do understand why in each case she feels dismissed on those grounds).

Frankly, the line quoted above is classic privilege-denying.

(Oh, yeah, and that "before you start drinking again" comment - HUGELY inappropriate, though I am sure Daisy doesn't need me to point that out to you. In fact, she doesn't need me to make any of these points but I wanted to talk about this from "reading comprehension" point of view as in "this is what I understand from what our host has written", seeing as you clearly don't.)

The Fabulous Kitty Glendower said...

Maybe her politics made her decide to be a drunk. Since we chose such things in life.

http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/index.htm

DaisyDeadhead said...

Kitty, keep up that fabulous pro-woman, class-conscious feminism. I have decided not to censor a single word. I want everyone to see you for exactly what you are, snookems.

You are advertising Aroo wonderfully.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Snowdrop, thank you for understanding what I said. Women committed to the status quo, like Kitty, always want to further indoctrinate women who do not agree with her.

Let Kitty continue to offend all the working class feminists and deny her privilege. Most especially, let her continue to offend all the alcoholic feminists. Notice now she self-righteously preached to me about offending alcoholics, then when she found out I was talking about myself, enthusiastically does the same thing she admonished ME not to do! ROFL, this is utterly priceless and totally classic Arooo doublethink and illustrates how Kitty is an ideological mess. She has no idea what SHE even means...Isn't that right, "Chasing Moksha"? (Why'd you drop that pseudonym, did you make such a total fool of yourself that you finally just had to retire it?) Kitty is so confused, she is a married heterosexual woman who posts on a lesbian separatist blog, and now the real lesbian separatist has vacated the premises... whatcha gonna do now? Better keep that transphobic shit coming, or you will dwindle down to NO HITS AT ALL. And even so, it has to be melodramatic transphobia, not that stultifyingly boring crap you serve up. You surely don't think anyone wants to read your boring, somnabulist bullshit, do you? HAHA, at least Margie could WRITE and keep us entertained. I think you will now have to close the blog.

Hey, I get hits, honey--I mean, here you are! You are the one who needs to go back to school to learn how to write so that somebody, anybody will give a shit.

Does anyone read your blog now that Margie is gone?

The Fabulous Kitty Glendower said...

Daisy, let me apologize for ever disagreeing with you. I was so wrong. You are a goddess and I am shit. Complete, total shit. I will never disagree with you ever again. And thank you for doing my tarot, although I think "The Devil" card does not truly represent me, I recognize your superior knowledge and will meditate on the meanings of cruelty, as you said.

Thank you for your blessings, oh goddess Daisy, I love you!

DaisyDeadhead said...

Go and sin no more, Kitty!

The Fabulous Kitty Glendower said...

I love you so much Daisy!!!!!

Anonymous said...

kitty is a joke. margie is dangerous. aroo is history.

the end?

Anonymous said...

She has her own blog now, Daisy:

http://margaretjamison.wordpress.com/

I'd like to know: what happened to Aroo? Why isn't it good enough for Margie now? She shit all over it and left the mess for Kitty to schlep, lol

I'd never miss the soap opera that is Margaret Jamison and didn't want you to be left out.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Thank you! I will be following Margie's raving lunacy religiously.

Kitty's boring, warmed-over farts? Not so much.

Trinity said...

Daisy,

The transphobic posts you linked are pretty awful, and if Joan is agreeing with them, all the more reason I'm glad I've fallen out of the habit of reading her. Urgh!

And I don't see any sin in discussing the common roots of *isms, so your comparison of "transgendered males" as an intentional dehumanizing comment to the N-word won't get any rage from me.

However, this thing about schooling seems petty to me, not having been here from the beginning of the convo. If Margie's class relates directly to one of the points you were making about her transphobia (say, it was a comment about university theory-focus making people see transfolk as an idea rather than as people), then I get it.

But if not, it seems like a response to (extreme, disgusting) inappropriateness with (mild) imappropriateness back.

You're better than that.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Trinity, nice to see you again.

The whole 'schooling' thing is based on Joan's accusation that I outed Margie as being a graduate of Stanford.

Except, oh wait, no I didn't. It was published on Arooo.

Apology still forthcoming. (PUBLIC apology, Joan, just as your accusations were made publicly, along with your shaming.)

I don't care about schooling. It was Kitty who declared I needed to go back to junior college. (?) I simply tired of reading her nonsense and decided to make her boring crap more readable, so I punched it up a bit. ;)

If she returns, will do it again, and much worse.

Trinity said...

Daisy,

Fair enough. But my point is: what did her going to Stanford (or wherever) have to do with her transphobia?

That's what's confusing me. If nothing, then *perhaps* my opinion is that your mentioning it *might* have been bad form.

However, I say all of this having looked at this Margie person's blog, and finding the "transgendered males" stuff offensive and the "lol ew white pussy!" stuff a cheap bid for outraged attention.

That's a kind of person we've all seen before, and IMO (of course your O may vary) don't need to waste precious minutes of our lives bothering looking at anyway.

one who knows said...

they never apologize. none of them. never have never will. they use people like toilet paper. never miss a beat. same at the michfest boards. they just change their names when it gets intense.

your correct that kitty was *chasing moksha* and prolly lots of other people. as margie has been. its a game to them. its just words on a screen.

don't hold out for apologies dais. they can't. don't know how. forgive them. feel sorry for them. move on.

and like i did-stay away.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Trinity, my reference to Stanford was made at Joan's, after my first few comments were not published. I made still another comment (never published) that sniped/sneered "well, I'm no match for Stanford" or something to that effect... which, BTW, I'm not. Simply admitting the truth. (You can see on that thread where Margie announced authoritatively that I was incapable of logically arguing about misogyny, even though, silly me, I thought I'd been doing it since 1972. I guess I haven't been doing what I THOUGHT I'd been doing all this time... you have to admit, that is a serious educational deficit!) But okay, if I am not arguing up to snuff, maybe she needs to argue with someone more of her educational level, right? (Isn't that what she was complaining about?)

I had no reason to believe that comment would be published, since the others had not been. And it wasn't. Therefore, I really do not see the reason for all the hooey. But Joan's death threats followed quickly on the heels of my unpublished comment (!) along with Soulsis telling me to fuck off, and Joan enthusiastically seconding the "fuck off"... I was pretty floored by the whole thing and I still am. I really liked Joan, and I am as shocked over the "Yes Yes!" (that I should fuck off), as I am over her random threats of violence to other women. (Why on earth did I ever consider this disrespectful person my friend? Trying to remember. There MUST have been a reason.)

But rest assured: If someone writes a blog post about me, I will always, always return the favor, unless it's too gross for me to link here (and at least one post on a MRA board was too gross to link, as the stormfront links have been). I have linked the Feminist Critics guys when they have written about me, and I will link Joan too. She doesn't like it, she shouldn't call me out and start numbering my fucking sins like a Benedictine nun at the start of Advent.

I think this is exactly what she wanted, since I made a point of warning her I would. I think this is her way of cementing her friendship with Margie. Thus, I am being used like... TOILET PAPER! (One Who Knows, thanks for giving me the words I needed.)

And One Who Knows, thanks for your advice. I AM getting it, albeit slowly.

Trinity said...

"You can see on that thread where Margie announced authoritatively that I was incapable of logically arguing about misogyny, even though, silly me, I thought I'd been doing it since 1972."

Yeah, that's a low blow, and like I said my impression of this Margie person is that she's a Howard Stern of radfemism, much as several others seem to be, for the shocked feelings it engenders. Again: Not worth anyone's time or attention.

"But Joan's death threats followed quickly on the heels of my unpublished comment (!) along with Soulsis telling me to fuck off, and Joan enthusiastically seconding the "fuck off"..."

Whoa whoa whoa wait what? Joan actually wrote death threats against you?

*shakes head*

I remember back when everyone was talking like Joan's the sensible voice of the "other side" and all I saw was a self-loathing kinky person who seeemd to want anyone who wasn't to feel bad about ourselves, and I said so and everyone jumped on me with the piranha teeth.

Sometimes, though, my gut feeling about a person really doesn't change much over time... and yeah, maybe I saw something? I don't know. I'm sorry you're getting it now, anyway, from someone you thought of as a friend.

You're always welcome over at my place, though the topic there is mainly fandom these days. :-)

No death threats, though. I promise.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Trinity, I am not sure who the threats are directed to. At first, assumed it was me, since I wrote something about her toxic relationship w/Margie (I think she misunderstood that; I assume ANYONE who has ANY relationship with Margie has a toxic one, since Margie is a toxic person) and it seemed to flip her out. She later says on the thread, she does not mean me, UNLESS I have shared info about her beloved Margie. Well, that's a relief!

I just think threats like that ("I will hunt you down and shoot you") are ALWAYS out of line, regardless of who they are directed to. I can't believe she didn't delete that, as I assumed she would when she calmed down. Nope, I guess she means it.

[I also warned her the Dept of Homeland Security may end up following her, as they are now following mine for making some innocent redneck shoot-em-up jokes that sounded similar.]

I do not understand Joan's new-found diehard loyalty to Margie, unless... well, hm. You may have touched on something I overlooked. ;)

Trinity said...

"I just think threats like that ("I will hunt you down and shoot you") are ALWAYS out of line, regardless of who they are directed to. I can't believe she didn't delete that, as I assumed she would when she calmed down. Nope, I guess she means it."

Wow, yeah. I hadn't seen those, not following Joan's blog any more. But wheee-oo, that is some grade-A weird right there.

I'm glad it wasn't aimed at you, though. (But am I reading right, that she *would* wish death on you if you'd said the wrong thing about her bud? Because that's kind of... emotional blackmail-like.)

Trinity said...

Urk, yeah, I just read through Joan's post you linked, and... yeah. Anyone who has to edit comments to protect their own bigotry is... not someone I'd call anyone's friend.

I'm done here because I'm just gonna start yelling if I say anything else. Daisy, you've got my email addy if you want to talk to me about this more.

DaisyDeadhead said...

An email informs me that Margie, radical lesbian feminist separatist, was in the MILITARY. Yes, the US military, the currently one dropping bombs on WOMEN.

Of course, I didn't believe this and asked Joan. I mean, how could somebody who is so uncompromisingly radical (and so incredibly harsh on those who are not) have such a filthy, genocidal secret in her close? Nah, not Margie. I would sooner believe that she slept with a man than believe she would take orders from one.

Apparently, it IS true.

((stunned))

I am really shocked that a war criminal judges others... then again, the personality problems and fascist traits suddenly make ALL KINDS OF SENSE, right?

Wow.

I don't know if Joan will print my comment on THIS thread, where she lovingly refers to her beloved SARGE (!) but here it is, in its entirety:

“The Sarge”? Oh Jesus Christ, think I’m gonna puke.

So, Miss Perfect Lesbian Separatist dropped bombs on other women, on orders of the US Government and has the guts to talk about “oppression” with a fucking straight face? What a cartoon character. I am sickened that I ever a read a word this mass-murdering-collaborator and FUCKING FAKE/FRAUD had to say. Margie, you honestly were in the criminal enterprise known as the US military???!! And you have the gall to talk all this hyper-politically correct feminism, when you took orders from … (wait for it!) .. HETEROSEXUAL WHITE MEN? You saluted the fucking PENTAGON? It doesn’t matter who you sleep with, WHO DID YOU KILL and WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING PENANCE somewhere, with ashes and sackcloth all over you? You collaborate in imperialist-sponsored mass murder and are an obvious disgusting piece of shit, yet you continue to run your fucking MOUTH? No, honey, LEARN SILENCE and REPENT FOR YOUR EVIL SINS, collaborating LIAR.

I can’t believe it. Shocked. So, the gossip is TRUE?

Margie, you are a fraud, and every word out of your mouth is the word of collaborating LIAR PIGGY SWINE, who takes orders since it can’t think for itself . Every. Word. Got that? You are no radical, you are a COMEDY ROUTINE.

You and Margie deserve each other. Enjoy those military scenes, Joan? I did one once, kinda fun. 24/7 isn’t for me, though, but I see you are into it. Have fun.

I still remember the stop word was “Cambodia”–funny, huh? What’s Margie’s? “Abu Ghraib”?


~*~

Now that I know what I'm dealing with, I feel ashamed I ever took this person seriously, ashamed that this thread is even here. This "Margie" is a liar and a fraud. Unofficially closing the thread, unless anybody else has anything to add. (((dumbfounded)))

Likely, she is also a military-trained provocateur, deliberately sewing discord among those of us in the left/feminism. And we can see she has done a bang-up job. I am upset with myself for not seeing this before. Very obvious now.

Thread closed, unless it's important. Paid assassins for the military frighten me, and I don't want her putting her fascist military cop-friends on my ass. (She is probably the one who put Dept of Honmeland Security on me, come to think of it.)

What a sorry-ass, lying, fraudulent piece of shit.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Forgot link: Oh and guess what else?

senchi said...

daisy, tell us how you really feel. lol

honor among thieves said...

took u this long 2 figure out?

i knew she was some kind of fake but i didn't know what kind. thnx

DaisyDeadhead said...

Thread closed, move along, nothing to see here.

Notes:

POR, please resend the Manchurian Candidate poster! OMG, I always wanted one. 11 x 17 is good. I only got your comment, not your email, so email me please.

Joan, I did receive your comment in my email, but it did not post here. My bad. Apology accepted and I emailed you. If you take back the apology due to what I have written about your guru, oh well, them's the breaks, but the email was sincere.

BIU: I am not printing that one, sorry. Over the top and sexist.

Mama Moretti, SORRY and it will not HAPPEN AGAIN! :P

Renee said...

I just wanted to throw you some support. Margaret is a transphobe plain and simple. Last year the woman had the nerve to call be a dickist for supporting the rights of transwomen. If you are hated by her, then you are in good company.

bmj2k said...

I've peeked in a few times but tonight I read about a dozen of your posts. Can't say I always agree with you but I always enjoy reading you. After reading this post I just felt like popping in and giving you a huge thumbs up. Keep up the good fight!

LarryE said...

Daisy -

rest assured: If someone writes a blog post about me, I will always, always return the favor

Gee, now I'm tempted to write something about you so you'll respond and I might get some damn traffic! ;-)

I know we've never met and likely never will, but I still feel right in saying: Carry it on, my friend.

Anonymous said...

Nobody is immune and the pattern's always the same. The hyper-vigilance, the obsessive and vindictive dissection of others' percieved moral and political failures, the rigidity, the unwillingness to separate the percieved "sin" from the sinner or to accept ANY criticism, no matter what the spirit in which it is given, the vitriolic rants and the doctoring or suppression of her target's comments or posts...
You just have to detach yourself from it all. She feeds on psychodrama like a zombie feeds on brains.

avelarde said...

I came by this thread just now and felt the need to say a few things. Margaret Jamison is not, by any means, rich. She went to Stanford on a scholarship. Her dad was in the military, not Margaret Jamison. Margaret Jamison was never in the military.

She stopped writing because it made her miserable, because of people like you, because nobody wants to listen to a female black lesbian who mostly just writes about common sense.

Please stop spreading these lies. And I am not Margaret Jamison. I'm her girlfriend and we've been living together for three years. If you hate her and disagree with her, hate and disagree with her for the right reasons.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Cut the innocent-victim routine. Margaret quit blogging because that grotesque, pornographic photo (supposedly of a trans woman's genitalia) brought her far more attention than she initially bargained for. When you write one bigoted, nasty post after another, trashing a whole group of people, you can count on trouble. What did she expect? I figured she wanted all of that attention or she would not have deliberately pissed off the trans women every single day, . I figured she wanted more hits, and so, she got em. Right? Got too much for her, huh? Oh well. Obviously, a Stanford education does not guarantee intelligence. I could have told her that would be the response. I thought she WANTED this response?

You pick a fight, you get one.

THAT is "common sense". And those are the breaks. Tough shit. Cry me a river.