Tuesday, October 26, 2010

Wikileaks tells the truth at last

If you haven't read the Wikileaks Iraq war documents, at least read the NYT synopsis:

According to the synopsis of the WikiLeaks documents by The New York Times, the death toll in 2006 reached beyond 3,000 one month.

Late last year, [Ellen Knickmeyer] sat in on a seminar at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government led by a former Bush official in Iraq and heard her say matter-of-factly that more than 1,000 people died in one day in the immediate killing after the Samarra bombing.

But as the WikiLeaks documents show, Casey and Rumsfeld must have known that all along, owing to the accounts from their forces. Despite the statements of the top U.S. commanders at the time, it wasn’t the journalists in Baghdad who were lying.
Butchers knowingly lying.

Is there anyone left who will defend this war? (John McCain? Sarah Palin?)

Meanwhile, Wikileaks Superhero Julian Assange walked out on a CNN interview when the subject turned to his personal life. People are currently discussing whether that was the right thing for him to do.

And what do you all think?


Jim said...

Daisy, did you get any chance to follow the false rape accusation against Assange in Stockholm? He clearly has rattled some of the right cages.

There was a colonlewho ciommitted suicide after coming back form Iraq. he had taught ethics at West point and couldn't and that was his comment on the torture situation and other aspects of the occupation. Cheney and Rumsfled should be offered the same option for some set period of days; if they refuse, then mie zu.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mie_Zu

They have not only permanently stained the honor of the nation, they have substantially increased the risk soldiers face in the field. They are traitors and mie zu is the appropriate penalty.

Jim said...

Can you please just delete that hash of a comment?

Laci the Chinese Crested said...

Mixed opinion here. While I think it's good that this stuff is coming out--I don't want any troops or sensitive missions compromised.

The bottom line, though, is that the Ameerican public needs to be aware of the atrocities being carried out in these idiotic wars.

JoJo said...

I'm glad that the information was published. We never should have been in Iraq in the first damn place, and we are getting nowhere in Afganistan. It's time to end the madness and bring the troops home. I think they should be put to work on our crumbling national infrastructure.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Jim, I like your comment just fine! :D

Jim said...

Daisy - I am getting so fed up with my dyslexic fingers. But thanks for rwading through the hash.

The torture business is quite personal for me. On one hand I know that torture never produces reliable information, on the other i am quite happy (and ashamed of it) to see some of these people torturedas retribution, and on the thrid hand I am horified at the risk this all exposes our people to. That's utilitarian, but so what?

BTW, did you read up at those links? You may not like Chinese methods, but they have created the most durable social system in human history.

The only probelm I have with leaking those documents wa sthe way it was done - some young kid is going to be scapegoated because he compromised a safeguard system, he privileged his own judgement*, when senior people should have been putting this stuff on the street all along. This whole mess is a failute of senior Army leadership - their failure among other things to trust the American people and to be honest with them/us.

* I understand about individual conscience and all. But when you are working in the public trust, the public trusts you to subordiante your personal good , including your beliefs, to the public will. Yo don't get to use the public of the public for your personal purposes. Don't like it? Fine - go back into private life.
And a private in the Army is working in the public trust.