Monday, March 16, 2015

The Margaret White award for zealous Christian witness goes to...

Yes, you know who it is.


BOB JONES UNIVERSITY!



Specifically: Stephen Pettit, head flunkie in charge.


Back when Pettit "took over" BJU (and as we see, he didn't really), I wondered aloud if this was going to be a Soviet-style puppet regime with the Jones faction still running things behind the scenes, or if Pettit might really be an improvement.

Alas, now we have our answer. (I wonder where they put the gulags? Wait, getting ahead of myself.)

First, let's have the AWARD CEREMONY.

Stephen, you have hereby been SELECTED for Dead Air's very first and highly coveted MARGARET WHITE AWARD FOR ZEALOUS CHRISTIAN WITNESS. As one not permitted to peruse popular culture (although I know you secretly do), you will undoubtedly feign ignorance and pretend you never heard of the infamous Mrs Margaret White. Well, I have a quick tutorial below. Let's just say, the Mrs Whites of the world do not waste time with politeness and southern pleasantries, they just get it done, people.

Mrs White, the famous Mrs White. The one who uttered those immortal lines, I CAN SEE YOUR DIRTY PILLOWS!

I refer to legendary actress Piper Laurie, Carrie White's mother, one of Stephen King's most amazing, enduring and (as we have learned from the Jones boys) REALISTIC inventions.



Eve was weak! Eve was weak! SAY IT!

~*~

I don't have the time or patience to delve into the theological question of whether Christianity is misogynist at base. That particular case was already made a long time ago, by Mary Daly. Is there even the possibility of respect for women in a religion that constantly reminds us EVE WAS WEAK? The Biblical literalists are among the most deeply-sexist of Christians, because after all, it IS right there in the text. They didn't make it up. Mrs White is offering the interpretation that I basically grew up with, only she's doing it with ZEAL. And hey, aren't all Christians supposed to witness with ZEAL??? Because (I wish I had a dollar for every time one of them SPAT this one out at me): IF YOU ARE LUKEWARM, HE WILL VOMIT YOU OUT OF HIS MOUTH (and ohhh how they love that verse.)

The G.R.A.C.E. report, about the treatment of sexual abuse survivors at BJU, came out late last year and laid out BJU's sins in detail. The Greenville News (finally!) excoriated them on their editorial page (its only taken 67 years!) and the internet was abuzz with accusations and counter-accusations. I deliberately took a hands-off approach, because I have tried hard not to join the nasty internet habit (that I once had) of kicking people when they are down. That ain't nice, I decided. Give peace a chance! And so I did.

About a week later, I drove past a BJU-affiliated church here in town (they got dozens of em), amusingly positioned right across the street from some "liberal" (compared to BJU) Baptist church... and the marquee on the "liberal" church just read, simply: GRACE.

I instantly recognized this as an in-your-face gesture. Obviously, these liberal Baptists didn't expect SHIT from BJU. Hm, I thought... these Baptists know the BJU-people far better than I do. And I decided this was NOT a good sign.

The liberal Baptists called it. Credit where it is due.

Stephen Pettit has finally spoken. Its mostly in the Christian vernacular, so some of you may have trouble understanding it. I will therefore translate into standard American English that you will easily understand:

FUCK YOU.

Yes, that is the gist of Pettit's speech, one long, gooey preacher-boy, grinning FUCK YOU.

I have not actually decided if this is one loooooong fuck you, which would be FUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOU!!!!! -- or is it a series of small, nasty little fuck yous?

Make no mistake though. It is a big, giant, brazen, nasty, vicious FUCK YOU.

Amen.

~*~

G.R.A.C.E. stands for Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment.

I like the acronym and the name, because it reminds me of one of Christianity's greatest moral strengths: in humbling ourselves to admit our faults and face our mistakes, we are granted grace. Everything changes, everything is made new. It takes GRACE to admit you are wrong, GRACE to admit you need help. And in doing so, the light dawns, the clouds clear.

The old hymn AMAZING GRACE sums it up: I was blind but now I see.

In other words, preacher Pettit, you had an incredible opportunity given to you, an opportunity for what you claim to want: GOD's GRACE. This was your chance. You could have stood up, taken a deep breath and apologized. You could have. I was hopeful that this crisis might make a lasting impact. Like we used to say in Alcoholics Anonymous, you were provided with a priceless, clear MOMENT OF CLARITY. These moments, these realizations are usually regarded as GIFTS from God, in most religious traditions. This is the meaning of the acronym G.R.A.C.E., which I thought meant you might actually PAY ATTENTION this time, and do the right thing.

Ha. Dream on.

In the weeks that followed the release of the report, The Greenville News talked with one of the survivors, blogger Cathy Harris. I was so profoundly disgusted by this article, I went on the radio and announced the Margaret White award was imminent, and I would be taking nominees. "But so far," I said, "there isn't any contest."

WHAT made me decide on Margaret White?

THIS PASSAGE:
[BJU counselor Jim] Berg also asked whether [Cathy Harris] felt any pleasure during any of the [childhood sexual] abuse and, if she did, she needed to repent, she said.

During one session, she said Berg told her he wanted to do a trust exercise. He pulled a rat trap from his desk, set the hammer and put a pencil on it. The trap broke the pencil into pieces.

She said he then told her to put her finger on the trap. When she refused, he got angry and put another pencil in. The trap did not snap shut.

If she couldn't trust the people God put over her, how could she trust God? she recalls him asking.

"I kept being told how unspiritual I was," she said.

The counseling ended when he told her he couldn't help her and God couldn't help her either.

"His counseling was more harmful than the abuse," she told The News.

In his interview with GRACE, Berg acknowledged that his counseling was often hurried due to his heavy workload and that he did not have extensive training in counseling sexual abuse victims. He said he did not know until 1992 that South Carolina had a law that required certain professionals, including educators, to report abuse, despite the law having been passed in the 1970s.
Really? Because *I* knew, and I think most people know, due to LAW AND ORDER SVU reruns... which I forgot, they are not allowed to watch over there.

That finger-in-the-rat-trap game is something worthy of Carrie's mom, doncha think? (ASIDE: Cathy, if this scene ends up in a horror movie, as it surely will, you could probably sue for copyright violation and make some bucks.)

This passage, Cathy Harris' harrowing horror-movie counseling session, is like Bette Davis serving Joan Crawford a rat for dinner in WHATEVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE; it is definitely in the same neighborhood as Margaret White yelling that Eve was weak! Eve was weak!

~*~

Stephen, if you ever want this done up properly, let me know. We might be able to take some donations and rustle something up, like a plaque, certificate or whatever, you know, for your wall. I am sure you are proud of this award and will want to show everyone, so I will do my best to make it pretty. I mean, you do want to impress your new right-wing politician friends, doncha?
Congratulations!

Just remember something.

The end of the film instructs us: "Carrie White burns in hell."

And whose fault was that? Will Margaret White burn there too, for driving her daughter crazy? I think that's an easy call, even for you.

Take heed and repent, Pettit.

~*~

Warnings for graphic violence, probable heresy and so on.



You knew I couldn't resist posting that... dirty pillows at 20 seconds!

~*~

NOTES

1) Please see Camille Lewis' refutation of Pettit's lies/fuck yous. As usual, Camille is the go-to on this subject, as one who knows where all the bodies are buried.

2) All photos in this post are from THE ORIGINAL Brian DePalma version of Carrie--except no substitutes, especially inferior remakes of perfect horror movies.

Unbelievably, I started writing this just as AMC decided to show CARRIE, which I take as a sign of divine intervention, just so I could get some good shots.

39 comments:

bryce said...

u had me @ dirtypillows

great post, d.

James Tollison said...

Please post the plaque when you get it made so we can all see it. No, seriously.

Daisy Deadhead said...

I wouldn't pay for it myself, I would have to take some donations. :)

Daisy Deadhead said...

The hits are finally coming in from BJU itself... (((waves at Stephen))) Rather a lot of them too.

Maybe they are just real eager to watch some of "Carrie" and this is their big chance.

To the kids: RUN! FREE YOURSELVES!

Anonymous said...

Ask Mr. Berg's former secretary when Berg was Dean of Students, Miss Betty Rooks concerning her former bosses use of the rat trap during counseling. She knows he used to do this. Whether or not Miss Rooks will comment due to fear and loyalty to Berg and BJU is another issue altogether - but rest assured she admits this happened in private conversations.

Daisy Deadhead said...

Anon, well of course he had to. EVE WAS WEAK! EVE WAS WEAK!

Horrifying, seriously. Just horrifying.

D. said...

Carrie is a truly frightening movie (I've only seen the whole thing once).

Also: Never trust people who do "trust exercises."

Daisy Deadhead said...

On last week's radio show, I mentioned the people/blogs attacking the abuse-survivors at BJU. I asked why they were doing this. I still want to know why.

One of the main instigators is one Sally Davis of Russell Springs, KY, along with her loyal sidekick/fanboy, our old friend/troll/photo-shopper GREGORY EASTON, aka PURE GOLD, whom I am pretty sure is responsible for putting up the infamous death-threat hate-page about me on Facebook (when I accused him a couple of days ago, he didn't deny it and even openly joked about it). So, its finally good to know who did that to me.

When I showed up there myself (not linking), you can imagine what happened. They are pretty vicious, as BJU-people often are to outsiders (its a cult after all). They say they dislike BJU but they also dislike the GRACE investigation... really, it all makes no sense.

I have been informed of the names of some of the people participating in tarring and feathering me, as well as the usual victim-trashing (all using fake names of course). They are: BJU-teacher Janie Macaulay, alumni Wanda Janz, James Bow, Beth Murschell, Hannah and Ashley Proctor. Also, someone whose hubby works at BJU, Bethany Lovegrove. --BE TRUE TO YOUR SCHOOL NOW/JUST LIKE YOU WOULD TO YOUR GIRL OR GUY!-- (If I am wrong about any of these names, speak up now or forever hold your peace.) I think these people need to be exposed, and I am tired of the reign of Christian Terror.

If the hate follies against ME (at least) do not stop, I will expand this comment to an entire post, and quote them directly. About everybody and everything. I will throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

BJU people, your McCarthyist bullying needs to stop NOW. And if you won't, at least I will expose you. Be advised.

Daisy Deadhead said...

Mouseketeer roll call, count off now!

The last comment was linked, and here are the responding hits in the past hour or so--

Comcast Cable (71.201.175.16)
Bloomington, IL

At&t U-verse (108.77.248.38)
Greenville, SC

Charter Communications (96.37.226.198)
Taylors, SC

Verizon Fios (173.59.47.20)
Bear, DE

At&t Wi-fi Services (64.134.182.83)
USA, no location given (proxy server? impressive!)

Charter Communications (71.12.18.196)
Greenville, SC

Comcast Cable (98.233.210.93)
Manassas, VA

Charter Communications (96.37.227.87)
Taylors, SC

Telus Communications (206.75.206.51)
Calgary, Alberta, CA (HI WANDA!)

Charter Communications (24.158.55.87)
Taylors, SC

At&t U-verse (99.63.224.251)
Greenville, SC

Time Warner Cable (70.61.130.10)
Cincinnati, OH

Centurylink (71.52.30.156)
Winter Park, FL

Daisy Deadhead said...

When you shine the light on the cockroaches, most of em scatter, so I think the shitstorm has abated for now. If I get any more emails and related reports that I am being trashed on this particular blog, I will continue to print names. Whatever names come my way! BJU certainly doesn't care about journalistic OR academic accuracy and even counsels its hapless students that the earth is 5000 years old, so I guess I can subscribe to a few fairy tales of my own, if I so choose. Its a FREE COUNTRY, or so the Republicans tell me.

I have heard from The Proctors, listed above.

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Hannah and Ashley Proctor, are NOT among the legion of BJU-trained androids trashing me and the abuse-survivors. I repeat, they ARE NOT working with the bad people.


I heard from them directly, and that is good enough for me.

Since I have heard from no others, we can therefore assume I AM correct about the other pseudonyms.

Somebody protested that BJU English teacher Macauley is not posting on the aforementioned hate-site, but that kind of begged the question: So the rest ARE? LOL.

Let the schoolmarm Macauley (sounds like an Anthony Trollope novel doesn't it? She should appreciate that!) contact me herself, and I will be glad to say so here.

I am told Sally Davis considers it "intrusive" to print IP addresses. Picking apart the entire life of a rape victim (starting when she was 13!) is just swell, but printing IP addresses = intrusive!

Jesus H. Christ.

These are the people we are dealing with, they have the inverted, Bizarro World morals of the KGB... or maybe LRH. In any event, they need to call off the dogs. Hell beckons.

Daisy Deadhead said...

I have just dialogued with the aforementioned Gregory Easton, and he has been very polite. He assures me he is NOT the one who called the radio station and tried to get me thrown off, back in 2012. I am satisfied he is telling the truth.

We have called a truce. Anyone else willing to do that, my email is in Google plus profile.

JESUS WANTS US ALL TO GET ALONG! :)

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James Bow said...

Daisy,

Since you used my name, I hope I am allowed to respond. First off, your characterization of Sally's page is grossly misinformed. Here is MY very terse interpretation of Romancing blog:

Sally is as anti-BJU as anyone I know.... anyone. She started that site to expose some really nasty behavior from people (Camille, Cathy, etc.) that were once her friends. Almost everyone who frequents that site were once friends and allies of these people. While almost everyone involved on each side of the fence share very similar motives and intentions, MANY of them were extremely hurt by the callous actions of Camille and company. The site has been very healing for those people and it has mended many friendships/relationships. I won't get into the nefarious actions by Camille and company because Sally has documented them on her site. Anyone can read and judge for themselves. Bottom line, doing shitty things in order to achieve a good broader goal..... well, that is still pretty damn shitty. Sally's only goal is to expose that shitty behavior. She has ZERO interest in helping BJU in anyway. In other words, being anti-Camille is NOT pro-BJU.

Second point, how did you expect to be treated when you came to the site being completely misinformed by the sites true intentions and accusing the site owner of having an affair with a man she has never met? You didn't come to the site to be informed or have a conversation. You came to the site to stir shit.... and shit you got. I would wager that you and Sally have a lot more in common that you think..... you simply have the wrong worm in your ear.

Daisy Deadhead said...

James Bow: Since you used my name, I hope I am allowed to respond. First off, your characterization of Sally's page is grossly misinformed. Here is MY very terse interpretation of Romancing blog:

Sally is as anti-BJU as anyone I know.... anyone.


No.

(sigh)

I explained over there, what MY DEFINITION of "anti-BJU" is. That is the definition I use, not yours. I realize, evangelical and fundamentalist Protestants (and people brainwashed by them over many years) think they can announce something is true, and so, it MAGICALLY. This is because they are taught to say "I believe, so I'm saved!" and then do whatever the hell they want, even very overtly ANTI Christian acts. They are saved by their belief, so according to the Sola Fide doctrine, they can DO whatever they want and their salvation is never at risk.

And of course, we see that this is obviously heresy, since WORKS are what matter. WORKS are what make the material world HAPPEN. At least, at THIS blog, dude. I do not deal in "I say it, so its true!" and other comical, magical-thinking exercises from fundamentalists, whether they claim to be EX fundamentalists or not.

Pay attention:

You do not get to strategically AID BJU in their various campaigns against specific people they consider enemies and threats, enthusiastically doing their dirty work for them by digging up stuff the admin has long forgotten and then hilariously claim you are "anti BJU"... that is like fighting for the US military and then claiming you are anti-government, another funny joke I often hear from fundamentalists. Attacking BJU's enemies is PRO BJU! That is the actual WORK of Sally's blog, the RESULT, the OUTCOME.

There can be no mistake that the overall impact of the blog is PRO BJU, since by getting down in the gutter with the "disaffecteds" and trashing them very personally, Sally can therefore attack BJU's enemies FAR MORE effectively than BJU itself can.


Surely you can see that?

Further, the information Sally had access to and is now spreading around (and providing screenshots of) was available for her only because she was trusted with access to private spaces, where VERY personal biographical info was posted that was never intended to be seen by the entire world. She has violated the trust of these private Facebook groups that were set up to aid BJU survivors, sewing dissent and discord with her constant fight-picking and now common gossiping and tattling, all so she can brag about how all the bloodletting stokes up her blog hits.

Again, the RESULTS of her acts are very tangibly pro-BJU and directly benefit BJU. That is what PRO BJU means... not saying one thing but acting directly the opposite. That would be like, you know, Republicans saying they are pro-life while dropping bombs on babies and cutting food stamps. Obviously, they are ANTI LIFE and they do not get to come here and use their bullshit terms.

MY terms are the terms employed here.

At Sally's blog, I also explained the political concept of "punching up" and "punching down"--of course, one always punches up, towards the powerful. Always. Hold the institutions, the powerful and the influential, accountable FIRST. And since no one ever HAS held BJU accountable, why are you not concentrating on that instead of picking apart the lives of a few individuals who have no power or influence at all? This is punching down, and this is politically reactionary.

My questions: is there some reason you do not understanding these points? I said them all before, but you all keep repeating yourselves, like a Borg... further, many of you SOUND TOO MUCH ALIKE, like automatons or androids.

2b continued

Daisy Deadhead said...

REPLY TO JAMES BOW CONTINUED

James: She started that site to expose some really nasty behavior from people (Camille, Cathy, etc.) that were once her friends.

One should always place principles before personalities. If one chooses not to do so, expect criticism of such pettiness (at best) and/or co-optation by the forces one is in opposition to (at worst).

James: Almost everyone who frequents that site were once friends and allies of these people. While almost everyone involved on each side of the fence share very similar motives and intentions, MANY of them were extremely hurt by the callous actions of Camille and company.

I am really tired of hearing the play-by-play high school stuff. I am really not the least bit interested in the cliques and the he said/she said. The upshot of all this is, Sally digs up trash on people and prints it, to the glee of the BJU researchers.

James: The site has been very healing for those people and it has mended many friendships/relationships. I won't get into the nefarious actions by Camille and company because Sally has documented them on her site.

If you think that stuff is "nefarious", I have to LMAO at your extremely sheltered life.

James: Anyone can read and judge for themselves.

I know, and when an outsider notices the cult-lockstep, it bothers you. That is why you are here, James.

James: Bottom line, doing shitty things in order to achieve a good broader goal..... well, that is still pretty damn shitty.

I know, right? The shittiest thing is actually doing the work of Bob Jones University for them, offering one's (excellent) services at spying and surveillance, and then being SO dishonest you think you aren't doing them a huge favor AND saving them a load of money by doing it all for free.

James: Sally's only goal is to expose that shitty behavior. She has ZERO interest in helping BJU in anyway. In other words, being anti-Camille is NOT pro-BJU.

See above for the definition we use here. No evangelical magical thinking here; no BJU nonsense.

BTW, why did all the BJU hits come over to my site? If it isn't to their benefit, why are they reading it?

James: Second point, how did you expect to be treated when you came to the site being completely misinformed by the sites true intentions and accusing the site owner of having an affair with a man she has never met?

You people are hysterical, that was a fucking joke. It was a reference to the way Sally was, you know, FELLATING him? Telling him how woooonderful he was, giggling, blushing, and encouraging his wit? Colloquialism.

But so what? Aren't you all over there accusing people of all kinds of shit? You have just as much proof of your assertions as I have of mine.

James: You didn't come to the site to be informed or have a conversation.

Impossible to have with cultists, as you have just demonstrated.

Interesting, though, look at what Greg Easton wrote about me.

Wow, its the total opposite of what you just said.

James: You came to the site to stir shit.... and shit you got. I would wager that you and Sally have a lot more in common that you think..... you simply have the wrong worm in your ear.

I think for myself, not for magical worms in my ear. And hey, I've been banned by so many blogs, I can't keep track... I take it as a badge of honor. No harm done.

Free your mind, James. If you would like to personally dialogue, my email is in my Google Plus profile.

Daisy Deadhead said...

Example of something just posted over at the blog in question, by someone named "sage":

Ok, I’ve lurked in the shadows long enough. I’ve finally got to make a comment. With each new installment of Genesis, it makes it more and more clear how Camille operates. In every situation she tries to become the one in control of the conversation.

This is asserted over and over and over on this blog... Camille Lewis is said to have these amazing superpowers.

I think it is simply that she can argue, and they are defenseless. They can't argue back with her, so she is "mean"--this is the logic of the cult.

FTR, this has never happened to me with Camille. Never. Why not? If she does this to "everybody"?

I introduced Camille to members of Occupy Greenville, some of them scary and scruffy, and she was warm, accepting and polite. She also attended the anti-kkk rally here in Greenville, and--of course, you local people were all there too? Right? I mean, since you went to a school founded by an open kkk-sympathizer who gave pro-kkk sermons (and since they wore sheets, we can't prove he wasn't an actual member, can we?) ... you'd think you would break your necks racing down to the rally, applying ashes and sackcloth and doing penance for having listened to sermons by kkk-propagandists... right? But... (crickets) you have better things to do.

And Camille is the bad one, while you all sit on your asses and don't take any responsibility? Could you explain, exactly?

Further, Sage's comment above is simply a LIE. Camille has NEVER tried to run any conversation with me. This is nonsense. In the conversation I heard her engage in with Occupy Greenville people, she did not try to run that conversation either.

It took me awhile to figure out what is askew, what is CULTISH about Sage's comment... also another one by someone named Leah Hayes, zealously judging Camille's Christianity: "I misjudged you when we connected on facebook and I thought you were a decent person and fellow believer who attempted to follow the teachings of Jesus."

And then it clicked.

What if you DON'T follow the teachings of Jesus? Like, what if you are another faith entirely? Obviously, you are total SHIT and not worth speaking to AT ALL. (LOL, we don't even RATE as HUMAN, people!)

And then I got it.

I had protested on the blog that Camille had always been kind to me, but then that is the whole point: I DON'T COUNT. I AM OUTSIDE THE CULT AND I. DON'T. COUNT.

This is entirely about the cult. Entirely. REAL PEOPLE, the people they care about, are cult members, so this is ALL ABOUT how Camille has or has not pleased cult members. When I used examples of people out here in the real world, I was ignored. They mean THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE, THE BJU CULT. Camille has offended THEM. And that is what matters, the only truth that matters to them; obviously, no other character witnesses are allowed.

Certainly, when I described the diversity of Occupy Greenville, I compounded my error. My intention was to illustrate that Camille accepts people who are very different than she is; the mark of a tolerant person. (they were arguing, I thought, that she is intolerant) This was also ignored completely.

I get it now. OF COURSE she is nice to outsiders, that is the mark of a SUPPRESSIVE PERSON! It is considered proof of how manipulative and BAD she is--why else would they ignore the evidence I offer of Camille's kindness? When "sage" or Sally or James refers to "people"--they only mean PEOPLE LIKE THEM, and I finally get what James was saying, above: THIS BLOG IS INTENDED FOR *US* ONLY, BITCH. The fact that the BJU-administration is avidly copying and cross-referencing and filing it, well, PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT CULT BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

Daisy Deadhead said...

One more time, let me repeat, Camille Lewis has never "operated" in this manner, she has never been "nefarious" with me. And I am a human being and I exist. So Sage, your statement above, IN EVERY SITUATION, is a lie. But it is clear that you see everything through the lens of the cult. Otherwise, you would have read the comments I left right there on that blog. Were my words just plain invisible to you, just as all non-BJU people (non cult members) are?

Anonymous said...

Daisy,

Instead of a “blow by blow” response to your post, I simply want to comment on two key themes you touched.

1. You have wrongly stereotyped me and almost everyone else who frequents Sally’s blog. The fact that you think we are just another protestant cult obviously shapes your entire thinking about Sally’s blog and why most of us are there. I just so happen to be a white, male, queer agnostic who hasn’t worshiped or “prayed” to a god in well over 10 years. I also happen to have an undergraduate degree from BJU. The fact that you think Sally is somehow trying to help BJU with her blog also illustrates that you’ve stereotyped her as well.
2. The blog is about Camille and Cathy. It is not about BJU. I understand why you think these internal conflicts between anti-BJU people helps the school. I understand that logic. I think what you don’t understand is the history here. Every single one of us who frequent Sally’s blog were once aligned with Camille. We all mostly wanted the same thing: BJU be taken down or completely reformed. There is one single common denominator to each of these relationships going sour: Camille and Cathy. You may not remember me, but I was also a poster to Greg’s blog back in the day. I was one of the only people to defend Camille on that blog. I had always assumed that her intentions were not pernicious. I always thought it was her condescending communication style that turned everyone off. It wasn’t until later…. after seeing all the bridges she burned… and then seeing many of Sally’s blog posts that really opened my eyes to how she really operates. Do you realize that Camille participated in at LEAST 7 different facebook groups that were devoted to attacking many of the people who now frequent Sally’s blog? It went on for months. It was must nastier than Sally’s blog. Those pages were full of lies and innuendo. The day I decided to engage them on those “hater” pages, I was summarily unfriended and blocked. All it took was me asking a few questions. In many ways, Sally’s blog is a response to those groups and Dan’s Storify page. It is a response to the nastiness many endured. I still stand by my comment that it is perfectly logical that one can be critical of BJU and Camille without being in bed with either. If BJU does down (fingers crossed), it will be their own doing…. Not what one ex-professor has done.

I understand that you have a great relationship with Camille. Many of us did…. For a long time. Frankly, I hope you two will continue to get along. Even if you two continue to be fast friends, it doesn’t change the history many of us have had with Camille.

Daisy Deadhead said...

Anonymous writes: The fact that you think we are just another protestant cult

What? Wait.

You DO AGREE that BJU is a cult, yes? When you say you are "anti-BJU"--you agree on this very basic fact, don't you? Because if you don't--if you think you were NOT in a cult, you will NOT overcome the brainwashing, since you think none happened in the first place.

This seems to be the problem: you have not done the political and emotional work someone like Camille has done, or you would say something (anything) about my kkk comment. ((((crickets)))) And of course, it passed you right by, you don't seem to think racist indoctrination was your problem, even if you DID attend a kkk-sympathizer-founded cult.

Speaks volumes. It matters.

When I go onto a blog as a well-known enemy of BJU and get attacked and slammed, I know what side you're on. Otherwise, stop acting like cultists and I will stop calling you that; its really quite simple.

Anon: The fact that you think Sally is somehow trying to help BJU with her blog

There you go again.

There is no "somehow"--whenever you attack BJU's enemies, you become their allies and help them.

You understand this as a basic military strategy, right? The adage "My enemies' enemy is my friend"--I believe came from General MacArthur or somebody like that? Why is this also not the case over at that blog?

When you attack BJU's enemies, for whatever reason, you help BJU. Seriously: this is not a difficult concept to grasp, unless raised as a cultist.

When the Allies bombed Dresden, they helped the USA. You know that, right? (You think they did it just to "make a statement" or what?)

Anon: The blog is about Camille and Cathy. It is not about BJU

A WHOLE BLOG about the two primary enemies of BJU? Is this strategically acceptable if you are ANTI BJU? Of course not. The BJU admin is licking its chops. And no, it is NOT only about Camille and Cathy, so cut the bullshit. I have read about OTHER people over there, such as Dan Keller and the person you rudely call "Maytag" (love the prison slang, is that to prove yall are HIP?) -- as well as ME; I was trashed for many many many comments after I exited. Gossip never stops with just one victim, as your former pope and Bible-editor, Martin Luther, famously said. (Okay, so he said it in German, and its a paraphrase)

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Daisy Deadhead said...

REPLY TO ANON CONTINUED

I am trying to figure out the reason all of you have regressed to high school level, he said/she said nonsense, yammering like children. I think maybe you weren't allowed to do this at BJU, and now, you are getting your ya-yas out, as the expression goes.

I don't care who said what about whom--did you read my last comment? I am a political person and I approach this subject that way ... this is not about hurt feelings. Sorry, no time for that. As Buddha told us, life is suffering, so be aware.

Many of you seem extremely naive about how coalitions work. I have worked with some of the most reprehensible shits on earth. I do not have to like or "approve" of people to work with them politically. This is the whole problem with the dreaded tumblrites and "SJWs"--they think they have to personally approve of everybody before they will set foot in a face-to-face, honest-to-God political meeting... they prefer simply attacking online and creating a fracas whilst sitting safely in their bedrooms... I have ZERO respect for that. They might be NSA sock puppets for all we know.

If you mean to take out BJU, what are you doing about it? Camille can answer that question, but I don't know if you can. Crossing fingers is fine, but it doesn't get the job done. I respect real WORK. When you can point to something you have DONE, in the REAL WORLD, to take out BJU, I will be suitably impressed. Until then: if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Quote courtesy of Dear Abby... or was it Ann Landers?) Get busy.

If you don't, at least cut out the silly fiction that you are "anti" BJU--when you have absolutely no evidence of that. As an agnostic, you should understand that I believe what I can SEE, measure and quantify, not empty claims.

Thanks for participating though, you have been polite and respectful.

Cathy said...

"She started that site to expose some really nasty behavior from people (Camille, Cathy, etc.) that were once her friends.."

I never had any issues with Sally. As far as I can recall I was never even a facebook friend with Sally. Being as I cannot recall having any quarell or even facebook fight with Sally it is baffling that she is the one who choose to set up a whole blog concerning me. Making dogmatic statements that I wasn't raped, that I did not suffer 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 61% of my body as a 5th grade child. When numeous people from that time in my life remembered me being hospitalized for months and when what my skin still looked like when I returened to school. Why? Because my face wasn't burned?

Then someone doesn't know and doesn't bother to look up the difference between 2nd to 3rd degree and 4th degree burns. 2nd-3rd degree burns require much painful treatment that will curl your toes but can be cured (with scars) but 4th degree burns of the trunk would not be survivable.

To make that mistake someone is willfully lying or seriously inept at their google-foo.

Naming men that I have never publically named as my rapists. One of these men I have REPEATEDLY denied ever raped me.

Making a phone call to a church that I haven't darkened the door of and leading the associate pastor to think I was speaking about one of my family members that was my rapist. I'm not the one who accused the wrong man - It is another man who was tried, convicted and sentenced on 11 counts of serious sex-crimes and sentensed to a very long prison term after he was found guilty on all 11 counts. He was paroled back in latter 2013 and is now back in prison for breaking his parole for giving as his address the center of a cornfield to the Sex Offender registery. This man has coused much pain to myself and to other women. it can't be true because she called the church and Pastor Josh Scheiderer said nothing like that ever happened at that church. It did happen. Shortly before another man (BJU Grad) was arrested and convicted of being a SERIAL RAPIST in his community. Another pastor was "let go" only to be convicted of raping another child. One of his sons was a work-place shooter- killing others then himself. Wonder what kind of horror that boy had been through to cause him to take that route out? Another man not much younger than I was a "Bus Pastor" who raped a small child - when asked by the police why he did it he told the police "Because I was curious." All of these men are the level 3 sex-offenders (AKA Sexually Violent Preditors)- the highest level an offender can get and their on it for life.Victims have rights to not have our names and the horrific things done to us plastered all over the internet. Instead of honoring that if and when victims such as myself are ready to tell such details Sally seems to think shes the one who gets to decide such things.

I have never made phone calls to someones current or former church. If I have a quarrel with someone I tell them about it and then walk away. Block if it is only a facebook "friend."

I have lived a very hard life. It has taken me more than half of my life to figure out how life is supposed to work because I didn't have parental (or other) rolemodels to teach me like most of you have. How fortunate for you. I wish I had any of that.

James Bow said...

Daisy,

Before I depart here, I want to try one last time to make my point. When you say: “When you attack BJU’s enemies, you become their allies”, you are saying exactly what George Bush said when he said, “You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists” (Bush Doctrine #2). Anyway…. Who made Camille Lewis the “Sacred Cow” for all things anti-BJU? In your own words, Camille has “no power or influence at all”. If she has no power or influence, then what possible power could Sally possible be giving BJU by exposing Camille? If you are going to use faulty logic, at least use it consistently. Bottom line….. everything that you hate about Sally’s blog, she learned from Camille. Camille started it. Sally responded. While I tend to agree with you that it is all a bunch of petty high school bullshit, I can appreciate when someone exposes internet bullies and hypocrisy.

“I do not deal in "I say it, so its true!"” Really? Every single one of your responses to me has been nothing but explanations to me that YOUR truth was the only one that mattered.

“I am outside the cult, and I don’t count”, “This blog is intended for us only”….. These statements would be true had you simply came to Sally’s blog to share your positive experiences with Camille, but that is not what you did. You came in trying to negate everyone else’s experience with Camille. Your truth was all that mattered. I guess sharing common interests and experiences with someone makes us a cult. Cult is a loaded term that you use to try to shut down the conversation. Most of your responses to me are nothing more than ad hominem attacks because it is easier for you to attack my character than win your with logical arguments. Speaking of character…..

“Thank you for participating, you have been polite and respectful”. I wish I could say that you had returned the favor. You know almost nothing about me, yet you have automatically labeled or insinuated that I am:

1. Fundamentalist
2. Cultist
3. Sheltered life
4. Dishonest
5. “Magical thinking”
6. Racist

Again, these are nothing more than ad hominem attacks to attack my character rather than my arguments. All you need to know is that I’ve had negative interactions with Camille that make me seriously question her character. Just because your experiences have been wonderful, that doesn’t negate mine, Sally’s or anyone else’s experiences.

James

Linda M. Fossen said...

Just to clarify. Wanda Janz is not a BJU alumnus. She hails from another fundy hellhole - Prairie Bible Institute (PBI), although she isn't an alumnus from there either. She married a PBI staff kid. Seems that she found a soul sister in Sally.

Linda M. Fossen said...

Trust your instincts Daisy, you read these people like a book the first time you rolled in on Sally's blog and gave them a blast of the cold, hard truth. They haven't gotten over it yet!

One clarification. Wanda Janz is not a BJU alumnus, she is associated with another fundy hellhole called PBI (Prairie Bible Institute). And she isn't an alumnus of that school either. She just married a PBI staff kid.

Daisy Deadhead said...

JAMES BOW: When you say: “When you attack BJU’s enemies, you become their allies”, you are saying exactly what George Bush said when he said, “You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists” (Bush Doctrine #2).

Since there were never any WPDs in Iran, that was a manipulative lie, of course. But if he and Colin Powell had been telling the truth and Al Qaeda was actually headquartered in Iran (no evidence of that at all; they never were) and operating under the auspices of the Iranian government.. OF COURSE IT WOULD BE THE CORRECT STATEMENT to most Americans. (not to me, but to most Americans) Why have we been at war over a decade, unless it is the way most Americans think?

The fact that it was all a LIE is considered the problem with the Bush doctrine, of course. You know that, right?

I feel like I am talking to people across a large abyss.

JAMES BOW: Who made Camille Lewis the “Sacred Cow” for all things anti-BJU?

Speaking of the racism you claim not to have, this is an anti-Hindu expression that I would appreciate you not using here.

I do not understand your meaning? I have no "sacred cows"--unless you mean the fact that Hindus do not eat meat, as I also do not? That doesn't make any cow "sacred"--simply not eaten. Watch the insulting, colonialist language, please. :) WE ARE LEFTISTS HERE.

JAMES BOW: In your own words, Camille has “no power or influence at all”. If she has no power or influence, then what possible power could Sally possible be giving BJU by exposing Camille?

(sigh)

Are you familiar with Michel Foucault's work on power and how it works? Karl Marx? Hannah Arendt? Even George Orwell? Short tutorial: If a powerful institution's enemies are neutralized, then others rise to take their place. There are a finite number allowed at any given time, or if there are MANY, they are codified by the propagandists into ONE ENTITY (i.e. 50s communists, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Emmanuel Goldstein, etc) in order to manage the mass hostility and effectively direct it at one target.

I feel like you are asking me to go back and teach you Political Science 101. This is standard stuff. You know that, right?

JAMES BOW: If you are going to use faulty logic, at least use it consistently.

Are you saying Michel Foucault used faulty logic? OMG, I could sic the whole Ivy League on you for that one! LOL

JAMES BOW: Every single one of your responses to me has been nothing but explanations to me that YOUR truth was the only one that mattered.

Um, well, yeah. (?) As we all believe our truths are the ones that matter. Since it is obvious there is NO objective truth (or we all would agree on what that ultimate truth IS), we have no choice to operate from our respective truths.

JAMES BOW: Cult is a loaded term that you use to try to shut down the conversation.

No, it is a term I use to describe certain groups who meet specific criteria. One of the main marks of a cult is lots of insider-lingo. As I said, I found much of Sally's website virtually unreadable (who are "manhaters" for example? Lesbians? At BJU?) due to the proliferation of cultspeak. An alarming sign, and yes, I will mention it.

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Daisy Deadhead said...

REPLY TO JAMES BOW CONTINUED

James, "attack your character"? You come here telling me what a mistaken, stupid person I am... and I attacked YOUR character?

Pay attention, folks following along at home. This is how it is. I was called all manner of nasty names, Dazed and so on, over at the blog in question, and finally banned. I was nonetheless very polite to their recon agent when he arrived here to school me (especially considering all the name-calling/motive-impugning his faction has enthusiastically engaged in, and the fact that he is here DEFENDING these nasty people)... and yet, WAIT FOR IT... *I* attacked HIS character.

See, this cries out for some kind of analysis... and assigning this bizarre, goofy behavior to "cult behavior" seems reasonable enough.

JAMES BOW, quoting me: 1. Fundamentalist
2. Cultist
3. Sheltered life
4. Dishonest
5. “Magical thinking”
6. Racist


Facts are facts, sorry. How else can you explain your own comments here, and these rather ignorant arguments you are making? Is this what a BJU education is worth?

Serious question.

Linda and Cathy, thank you for your comments. I appreciate them.

Daisy Deadhead said...

And James, you missed my question, could you answer it? I was polite and answered yours.

Here it is again:

If you mean to take out BJU, what are you doing about it? Camille can answer that question, but I don't know if you can. Crossing fingers is fine, but it doesn't get the job done. I respect real WORK. When you can point to something you have DONE, in the REAL WORLD, to take out BJU, I will be suitably impressed. Until then: if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Quote courtesy of Dear Abby... or was it Ann Landers?) Get busy.

If you don't, at least cut out the silly fiction that you are "anti" BJU--when you have absolutely no evidence of that. As an agnostic, you should understand that I believe what I can SEE, measure and quantify, not empty claims.


James Bow said...

Daisy,

The only thing I have every accused you of is being miss/uninformed about the whole "survivor wars" thing. That is all. Yet you continue to attack and pass judgment on someone you do not even know. You even call me "their polite recon agent" as if it bothers you that I'm being civil. All that you've proved in your posts is that you are looking for and want a fight. Also, I never called you stupid; yet you have continually alluded to my own stupidity.

Taking umbrage at the word "sacred cow"? Perfect example of trying to find fault with anything your "enemies" say. I can find no negative connotations to the term. The dictionary is quite clear what it means..... and I used it correctly. BTW.... I'm not your enemy. Again, you've only been listening to one side of this supposed argument, and you've chosen to believe that side regardless of the facts.

Speaking of your definition of facts..... I guess its a FACT that I'm racist because I went to BJU. I guess I'm a cultist because I'm friends with Sally. I guess I've lead a sheltered life simply because you said so.

Daisy, why don't you ask your friend Camille about William Peck... that fake person she created to defame and destroy Jocyln Z. BTW.... "manipuhaters" was a term your friends came up with. While you are at it, why don't you ask Cathy for the public record of all those rapes and murders she just mentioned in her comment? They were all arrest. Certainly there is a public record somewhere.

Daisy Deadhead said...

And yeah I garbled 9/11 history in my comment, LOL.

I said "WPD" (12 step lingo for "weapon of personal destruction"--LOL) instead of WMD, weapons of mass destruction.

And I said Iran when I met Iraq, probably subconsciously inspired by THIS TWEET..

Daisy Deadhead said...

You freely use your own slang and cultspeak, but when I use mine (recon agent), you get upset. That is called cultural intolerance. I have my slang, you have yours, get used to it.

And speaking of cultural intolerance... huh? "Umbrage"? Don't you want to be informed when you are saying backward things, like "sacred cow"--now regarded as a very uncool expression among those of us who adhere to Eastern faiths? Well, okay then. But *I* like to be informed whenever values and mores evolve, and this is one such example. The fact that you take that as "umbrage" instead of, you know, just ordinary American life? Another salient example of cult brainwashing.

And you therefore can't overcome it, since you refuse to believe it happened in the first place -- when everything you say radiates with it.

I didn't say you were racist for going to BJU, but you ARE racist if you think attending a kkk-sympathizer-founded school had no effect on you... and you are claiming that, right? If not, why have you ignored all of my questions about that, as somehow not worth replying to? Pretend you are black, if that isn't too difficult, and read back the thread... NOW how do you read your total disregard of those questions? Why are they worth ignoring? I gave you a golden opportunity to address the topic, and you instead ignored it. Why?

Personally, I would have been glad for the opportunity and taken advantage of it. I do not understand why you did not, and now you whine I think you are racist? Well, I think people who attended a school that STILL PRINTS HISTORY TEXTBOOKS that claim the kkk was a right-on white-man rotary club, when it was in fact a genocidal and openly murderous organization, have probably learned a very limited, racist version of history... and it is incumbent upon them to address that if they are progressives. Don't you agree? (Hasn't the Left always been of this opinion? Why is it any different for BJU people?) You and Sally seem to want to dress up in pseudo-progressive costumes, but you can't go the final yard.

I don't know Joclyn Z and "manipuhaters" or any of that crap, as I never tire of explaining to you people. No, these are not "my friends"--I am tired of this condescending bullshit, the assumption that I must have been "put up to it", etc... I am just TOO STUPID to decide to post on a blog all by myself, right?

JAMES: Also, I never called you stupid

Every time you say "my friends" or accuse me of doing something for someone BESIDES MYSELF and not thinking independently, you are calling me stupid.

Now, come on, you know this.

Further, I do not give a rats ass about William Peck. Is he going to help us bring down BJU? No? Then why waste our time with him?

I am a political person and as I carefully and laboriously explained on Sally's blog (and was totally ignored, she even bragged about how she had not read my comment!): taking out BJU, for me, is all about taking out Ground Zero of the Tea Party movement, Lindsey Graham's base (and he is now running for president), taking down an important seat of power in the most conservative county in the USA. This is not personal with me. It is a political task, and I am in it for the long haul.. not for gossip, fun or lulz.

I keep repeating this, but you seem to deliberately not understand me, or not know what those words really mean. Have you never met a real politico before?

Daisy Deadhead said...

And you are going to the dictionary to tell you what racist speech is, instead of listening to the people who are offended? (Do you call people "midgets" too? I mean, its in the dictionary.)

What about the word "sodomites" for homosexuals? If you use it correctly and its in the dictionary?

You won't be offended if I call you that, then?

Please, James.

Daisy Deadhead said...

Sally Davis writes, "more from Daisy's blog"... after promising weeks ago to stop talking about me after banning me and effectively preventing me from defending myself. (there have been literally HUNDREDS of nasty comments written/published about me there since) Thus, we see that BJU-trained androids are without morals, open and proud LIARS. Or maybe that's only the ones who call themselves "atheists" now. Right.

Sally, apparently you are unaware of the rules/etiquette/traditions of Blogdonia, so let me enlighten you. When you start a half-dozen blog posts with someone's name in the title and/or deliberately indexing their name for Google follow-up (and you pointedly did both), it means you are spoiling for a fight. I guess I didn't give you enough of a fight and you are bloodthirsty for more? (Are those vaunted blog-hits getting low? Need some more excitement, right?) If a blog-war is what you are going for, I can oblige... I have been in many of them. You however, just started blogging, and you may find yourself outgunned when I take the blog-war all over the world. And I will, faster than you can say, JUSTINE SACCO JUST LANDED IN SOUTH AFRICA. If it is public shaming you want (and this seems to be the entire PURPOSE of your gossip-blog), then I can school you on just how high the stakes can get. I can certainly engage in some public shaming too, since this seems to be your goal.

Is this what you want? Your blog is pretty boring, just covering some warmed-over he said/she said gossip about relatively well-behaved BJU people... but I guess you JAZZED UP THEM HITS by starting a host of posts about ME, right? Well, on one hand, I understand: somebody has to be interesting... and at first, I was flattered and found it kinda cute. But as I said, this constant calling-out is considered, well, a CALL OUT and I am just making sure this is what you want first? You seem somewhat naive about the ways of Blogdonia, as I said. You also seem somewhat naive about your own writing, and how juicy some of your quotes will read out of context. The tumblrites will order you pizzas until next October. Hope the bank account is solid, because the 4chan kids can hack that too.

LEAVE ME ALONE. And stop LYING--you claimed weeks ago that you would stop talking about me, and instead you STARTED POSTS about me in the interimwith hundreds of comments about me since. This is what the word of most BJU people is worth. Not a goddamn thing. (Glad to have an example I can point to, since most non-BJU people think I exaggerate about how morally compromised you are.)

I have not started blog posts about you (an act of war) nor indexed your name (ditto), and had no intention of doing so. But if this is what you want, I can bring it. Keep in mind, smart ass, I know your real name and address, and you don't know mine. This is really VERY careless of you, which is why I wondered if a blog war is really what you intend?

BTW, everything you say about Camille, Cathy, Linda, etc... how are you any different? You are as ruthless and lying with those you consider enemies, as any other BJU person.

Physician, heal thyself.

Daisy Deadhead said...

And yes, I am "crass"--I guess you want a medal for figuring that out all by yourself?

Do you want to see just HOW crass I can be?

"We got no class/and we got no principles" --Alice Cooper

At least when I want a fight, I come right out and say so, I don't slink around saying one thing and then doing another. I am NOT passive-aggressive, and there is a whole passive-aggressive course of study at BJU. I usually find it cute and amusing, but you have worn out your welcome.

Therefore, let me be VERY clear.

Further comments on your blog about me (by ANYbody) say in no uncertain terms: I want to escalate this, Daisy. Show me some ZEALOUS public shaming, as I am now showing it to you.

That is what I will read it as, no matter what other BJU-mush comes out of your mouth. Be advised, Sally Davis of Russell Springs, Kentucky.

Anonymous said...

U R 2 nice by asking sally 1st &giving her 'last chance'

just unleash hell.

imagine the look on her face.

Daisy Deadhead said...

Anon, I don't think she knows how nasty it can get. It will be out of my hands, just as her mean gossip is out of HER hands, once published. She doesn't think she has any responsibility for the damage her words do.

For instance, Sally Davis of Russell Springs, Kentucky, is taking NO responsibility for the chain of nasty emails I have received as a result of her vicious little hi-jinks. (And OF COURSE this means *I* will bear no responsibility for whatever happens to Sally; I will mirror her behavior exactly... just on a much much larger scale.)

I mean, she thinks *I* am "crass"--Tumblr, Reddit or 4chan might make her pass out cold.

I guess we'll be finding out.

Anonymous said...

were the e-mails from local bju people?

see how she can put BJU dogs on you while she's safely hundreds of miles away?

totally deliberate, d. sally knows exactly what she's doing.

Dan said...

I just want to say - Go Daisy, go Daisy, go Daisy, etc.

It kills me how someone starts a hate blog, then, when you come on board, she's a victim. Sally, honey, you're no victim. You started it - Daisy will help finish it.

UPDATE said...

Abuse survivors stand vigil at BJU (Greenville Online)

Sexual abuse survivors hold vigil at Bob Jones University main gate; Group claims GRACE recommendations ignored (WYFF news)

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