Tuesday, January 11, 2011

Nix on Coexist

Here at Ground Zero of the Tea Party Movement, I get lots of reactions to my bumper stickers, some almost violent. On Saturday night, the day Gabrielle Giffords was shot, I found a business card stuck onto my windshield. It was stamped with the identifiable, well-known COEXIST design (at left), which is one of my bumper stickers.


The card explained, on this day of all days, why we can't co-exist:

Can all world religions coexist? Does it matter what you believe? Does your belief make it true? Imagine having to jump from an airplane that was about to crash. If you had three possible items to strap to your back, which would you choose: a tire, a briefcase full of money, or a parachute? There is only one right answer that can save your life. This is why all religions can not coexist. They each give different ideas about God, but only one is true! Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) He made an exclusive claim. Either it is true or it is not.
There was more, of course, but you get the drift.

Was the day a coincidence? Maybe.

And maybe not, too.

~*~

From Slate, more on The Tea Party and the Tucson Tragedy by Jacob Weisberg:
It is appropriate, however, to consider what was swirling outside Loughner's head. To call his crime an attempted assassination is to acknowledge that it appears to have had a political and not merely a personal context. That context wasn't Islamic radicalism, Puerto Rican independence, or anarcho-syndicalism. It was the anti-government, pro-gun, xenophobic populism that flourishes in the dry and angry climate of Arizona. Extremist shouters didn't program Loughner, in some mechanistic way, to shoot Gabrielle Giffords. But the Tea Party movement did make it appreciably more likely that a disturbed person like Loughner would react, would be able to react, and would not be prevented from reacting, in the crazy way he did.

22 comments:

DaisyDeadhead said...

Thomas, read comments on last Giffords post. I will delete ALL Tea Party/Arizona-massacre apologism. This ain't Blue Heron and I will not be intimidated by Randoids. I have NO illusions about the First Amendment; right wingnut trolls intimidated me right out of that.

I will write whatever I please, thanks. If you don't like it, you know what they say: Get Your Own Damn Blog.

Thomas said...

Wow, that's totally lame. I expected better of you; I am no "apologist" Randroid or any such left/right nonsense. This act of course serves only the Bolshevik control freaks that want to limit speech and gun rights, funny how convenient that is. And to block "your viewer's" access to rebuttals is very Bolshevik-like. The criminal SPLC is desparately trying to link this freak to "the right" (whatever that is)to push their rights-crushing agenda. THe father of the 9 yr old begged that this NOT be used to further limit our liberties. You don't even pay for this blog for god's sake. How am I an apologist anyway?

DaisyDeadhead said...

This comment which references Bolshvishism (died with Trotsky, haven't you heard?) is too goofy, bizarre and rich, so I will let it through so people can see what I'm up against and why I will likely delete the rest of them.

We don't use the word "lame" as an insult on this blog, okay? Be advised, this is not negotiable.

Similarly, SPLC is not a bad word around here. I can see why you wouldn't like them, though.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Deletions in the interim! Hope yall understand.

From Politico:

Palin, for her part, has practically gone underground since posting a message of sympathy for the victims on her Facebook page and removing the target map from her website. On Monday, radio and TV host Glenn Beck read an e-mail she sent him: “I hate violence. I hate war. Our children will not have peace if politicos just capitalize on this to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence.”

Observations:

1) Palin doesn't hate violence, she hunts innocent reindeer on TV, and believes it's perfectly fine to kill wolves from helicopters, and

2) she doesn't hate war, either; she proudly sends her son to fight in a wholly illegal, immoral, unconstitutional one in Afghanistan. Say what?

3) If I wrote that badly, I couldn't get two readers on this thing. Good thing she's famous, or no one would bother to decipher her nonsense.

4) regarding this gibberish (see point #3): "to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence.” I think we are portraying HER, IN PARTICULAR, not just "anyone"--nice dodge, though!

Lady Macbeth can try, but she will never wash the blood off.

shadocat said...

go Daisy,GO!

sheila said...

I say leave all comments up. :) Btw, that's pretty freaky about someone leaving that on your car window.

white rabbit said...

I like Jefferson's line that 'it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no God'. Quite so...

I quite warm to Jefferson. I'd warm to him a lot more if he hadn't been a slaveowner.

Anarchosyndicalism - nice word, nice isea...

JoJo said...

Yowza. Wow Daisy, you do live in a very, erm, conservative state don't you? I only got a nastygram on my stickers once; you get them all the time! SC should be proud to have a rabble rouser like you!

Keep fightin the good fight. Don't let the Tea Baggers and Trolls get you down.

Thomas: Don't know what your original comment was, but dont' be trolling on this blog. Like Daisy said, if you don't like what she says, START YOUR OWN BLOG.

PS to Daisy: I knew Palin was a hunter, but I did NOT know she shot wolves from helicopters. OK, that's it. Now I'm gonna have to take her down.

Jim said...

Co-existence - i am willing to co-exist with any religion if and only if its adherents do not try to psuh their doctrines into law. That makes them at threat to me, and I do very strongly believe in political violence. Zen is a perfectly valid form of Buddhism.

If some of the slime of this hrrible tragedy sticks to the Tea Party, well they worked long and hard at it.

I agree with the father of the murdered gorl that preventing this woyuld take measures that would basically put us all in a prison without bars, but I also cannot see how anyone can claim that the rhetoricla climate played no part in someoen specifically targeting a certain lawmaker.

Ann O'Dyne said...

agree with you Daisy.

before the crosshairs image, SP was calling for a non-US citizen to be 'hunted down and killed'.
Enormous sympathy to the family of the young girl who is now dead, and to those of the other 19 people wounded.

Jim said...

"I quite warm to Jefferson. I'd warm to him a lot more if he hadn't been a slaveowner."

Warm to him for fomenting a revolution that ended up destroying slavery in a society dependent on it. It's one thing to oppose chattel slavery when your society is transitioning to industrial slavery where the owners don't even have a stake in keeping the slaes alive; it's something quite different to abolish it where major stakeholders have most of their productive capacity tied up in the insitution.

southcarolinaboy said...

That argument about a parachute, and a suitcase of money, and a tire doesn't even make sense. A parachute is useful if you're falling out of a plane, but not useful if you need a spare tire, or if you need a suitcase full of money...in those cases, a parachute wouldn't help you. Also, there are various kinds of parachutes. Just like there are various kinds of religions. All fulfill the same need more or less the same. I don't think I'm supposed to analyze these arguments, though...

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"And to block 'your viewer's' access to rebuttals is very Bolshevik-like."

Yes, Daisy, you are depriving us. Trampling our freedoms as well as his! We have a right to read his rebuttals. In your commentz.

DaisyDeadhead said...

SCboy, what puzzles me is, he says Bolshevik like it's a bad thing!

I suppose there is some bad in it, but it isn't like I was, you know, A TEA PARTIER or something...

:D

YELLOWDOG GRANNY said...

I'm still amazed that some one hasn't kicked my bumper sticker off my truck..it says 'my Goddess gave birth to your God.'...so far..so good.

Laci the Chinese Crested said...

You might find this interesting:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/michele-bachmann-christian-reconstructionists

"We must use the doctrine of religious liberty…until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy constructing a Bible-based social, political, and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God."

Later, in his 1989 book, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism, he wrote, "The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise… Those who refuse to submit publicly…must be denied citizenship."

Jim said...

Laci, that Christianist "march through the institutions" would be depressing if these loons had any real chance of making it happen.

For one thing their own younger generation is showing a lot more interest in environmental and social justice and helping the poor - that's what they get for reading the Gospels and the prophets - and a lot less in "God, gays and guns".

For another thing, a lot of the rest of us are getting wise to their games.Peole are getting fed up.

And Daisy, I know how dark the picture looks from where you are sitting. But the sun is seting on these people. They are going back into the shadows they scurried into after the Scopes trial.

DaisyDeadhead said...

Ahh, I see, it's a movement afoot to GET RID OF COEXISTENCE. Check this out: GOP Candidate Allen West: People With ‘Coexist’ Bumper Stickers Want To ‘Give Away Our Country’ :

“[A]s I was driving up here today, I saw that bumper sticker that absolutely incenses me. It’s not the Obama bumper sticker. But it’s the bumper sticker that says, ‘Co-exist.’ And it has all the little religious symbols on it. And the reason why I get upset, and every time I see one of those bumper stickers, I look at the person inside that is driving. Because that person represents something that would give away our country. Would give away who we are, our rights and freedoms and liberties because they are afraid to stand up and confront that which is the antithesis, anathema of who we are. The liberties that we want to enjoy.”

These people are stark raving bonkers.

Glenna said...

I have been thinking about the different ways progressives have been responding to the right wing's insistence that there is no connection between their rhetoric and actual violence. Does it seem to anyone else that there's a big difference between reactions from lefties who live in traditionally Democratic areas and those of us who hail from red states? (Rural "Missourah" in my case). Like, New England and West Coast progressives do not see every. day. how much guns/big manly men violence is pretty much religion for a lot of people?

Or is it just another case of big-name liberals bending over backwards not to insult the Republican establishment/gun lobby?

white rabbit said...

Jim - I'm generally in favour of republics bnd against empires but slavery was abolished in the British Empire 30 years before in the USA. Of course the UK (where highly arguably slavery was never legal - see Somersett's Case) was moving to industrial slavery but the economy of the Caribbean colonies were either totally or overwhelmingly slave economies. Similarly, parts of the US - also moving to industrial slavery - were similarly slave economies. I'm not sure I see a distinction that explains the time gap between the two abolitions...

I duck before awaiiting comments

white rabbit said...

I also apoliogise for dreadful syntax - always edit!

Daisy - there are still plenty of Trotskyists about - in Western Europe and Latin America mostly - in France they have been known to get 12% of the vote...

Watch out - there's a большевик about!

;)

James Landrith said...

Gotta love some of the wingnuts in SC. My wife's family lives in the Mullins/Marion area. On a visit south to see her folks, I remember pushing my niece down the street in a stroller and being treated to oh so clever anti-miscegenationist insults from some real winners. My wife is black and apparently that causes kneejerk bouts of uncontrollable vocalizations in some adult children. For some reason, these Tough Guys (TM), did not seem to want to talk it over in person and could not speed away fast enough once I took a few steps in their direction.

I still laugh at that when I visit. That, and being involved in the national campaign that put pressure on BJU to drop their ban on interracial relationships after I posted their then unpublished policy online for all the world to see in black and white. The haters can shout all they want as the real work was done years ago. Time and tide will do the rest. The knuckle-draggers don't have to like it, they just live in the wrong decade for it to matter in the grand scheme...

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